The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. On the Lighter Side
  3. New Theories
  4. Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?

  • 4 Replies
  • 2066 Views
  • 0 Tags

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline talanum1 (OP)

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 775
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 5 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?
« on: 09/07/2021 10:22:58 »
Dark Energy has negative pressure, so does it have negative temperature?
Logged
 



Offline evan_au

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 11035
  • Activity:
    9%
  • Thanked: 1486 times
Re: Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?
« Reply #1 on: 09/07/2021 10:46:13 »
Quote from: talanum1
Dark Energy has negative pressure
That really sucks!
Logged
 

Offline Bored chemist

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 31102
  • Activity:
    9%
  • Thanked: 1291 times
Re: Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?
« Reply #2 on: 09/07/2021 10:56:22 »
No.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8685-tepid-temperature-of-dark-matter-revealed/
Logged
Please disregard all previous signatures.
 

Offline Eternal Student

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 1832
  • Activity:
    7.5%
  • Thanked: 470 times
Re: Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?
« Reply #3 on: 09/07/2021 12:41:36 »
Hi.

Minor concern:    The title of this thread mentions Dark Energy but the Original Post mentions dark matter..

  Bored_Chemist answered for dark matter.
  Evan_au  answered for Dark energy.

    Also, what is so special about negative temperature?  Are you (talanum) measuring in  degrees C ?     A whole lot of space has temperatures that are  below  0 C.

     We think most dark matter would be located at the edge of galaxies and the space between galaxies.  It is quite cold there.   However, we don't know what interactions between dark matter and visible matter are possible other than gravitational interaction.  So maybe it remains isolated from normal matter (not in thermal contact with it) and remains hot.  We also don't know if dark matter is made of particles that can display internal kinetic energy (heat) or support any other known form of heat within it.  So the question is almost impossible to answer.   Dark Matter could have a "temperature" all of it's own that is only relevant if dark matter comes into contact with something it can interact with (perhaps more dark matter).
     Meanwhile  Dark Energy is something we know even less about and it's even harder to assign a temperature to it.  Assuming it is energy contained within the vaccum, then it is in all regions of space in equal density.  If you define temperature as a measure of the energy in a region then vaccum energy adds a constant to the temperature of every point in space.  Since all points are affected equally, it has no effect on heat flow which is determined only by the differences in temperatures.   However, temperature can also be defined by reference to the kinetic energy of particles in an ideal structure (e.g. in an ideal gas or by considering the entropy within a perfect crystal) and vaccum energy would seem to have no effect on this. 
Logged
 

Offline Eternal Student

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 1832
  • Activity:
    7.5%
  • Thanked: 470 times
Re: Does Dark Matter have Negative Temperature?
« Reply #4 on: 09/07/2021 13:30:45 »
Hi Bored_chemist.

   Thanks for the link to the new scientist article.   I've read it now.
   That was a 2006 article and at that time they were fairly sure Dark Matter was made of particles and WIMPS were the main candidate mentioned in that article.
    It seems they just assumed the particles of dark matter had average kinetic energy proportional to temperature (but the details are not shown).   I'm guessing they modelled dark matter as if it was a gas of particles (i.e. much like an ideal gas).
    I'm really not sure if this still holds well in current times.  WIMPS have certainly lost popularity.  We have not identified a dark matter particle to the best of my knowledge and therefore assigning a kinetic energy to a particle of dark matter (and thus a temperature) is speculative.
Logged
 



  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »
Tags:
 
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
  • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
    Privacy Policy
    SMFAds for Free Forums
  • Naked Science Forum ©

Page created in 0.573 seconds with 38 queries.

  • Podcasts
  • Articles
  • Get Naked
  • About
  • Contact us
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Subscribe to newsletter
  • We love feedback

Follow us

cambridge_logo_footer.png

©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.