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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #60 on: 04/08/2021 00:27:50 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/08/2021 17:57:05
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/08/2021 08:33:12
expulsion of energy from the black hole.
What exactly do you think that is?

This is a surprising question that you are asking me here. What do you want to know? Where does the black hole's energy come from?

In the Penrose process is said to make it possible when some of the black hole's energy is in the form of rotational kinetic energy. In this case, by sending a particle in the opposite direction to the rotation of the black hole, we will tend to decrease its kinetic energy of rotation. Indeed the force of gravity slows it down. For the quasars, their energy source comes from the accretion disk surrounding the black hole. Not to mention the astrophysical jet. Otherwise there is also the black hole evaporation.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #61 on: 04/08/2021 11:38:06 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 00:27:50
This is a surprising question that you are asking me here. What do you want to know?
What 'expulsion' energy are you talking about?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #62 on: 04/08/2021 12:30:33 »
Quote from: Origin on 04/08/2021 11:38:06
What 'expulsion' energy are you talking about?

Penrose process ... , astrophysical jet, ...  the black hole evaporation ..., magnetic reconnection. All of these are clues that indicate that energy is being forced out from black holes. But the most important is to understand that it is my model which predicts and indicates an epulssion of energy in the current time space. That's why nothing goes into the black hole. In other words you assert that this amounts to saying that there would be no energy that animates us in relation to the singularity of the big bang.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #63 on: 04/08/2021 14:01:55 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 12:30:33
That's why nothing goes into the black hole.
Are you serious?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #64 on: 04/08/2021 14:43:37 »
Quote from: Origin on 04/08/2021 14:01:55
Are you serious?

Yes I'm serious, because by gravitational collapse then we would be in the true vacuum if the energy didn't keep us at bay. Gravity draws us to it as much as energy plumps us up.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #65 on: 04/08/2021 16:04:12 »
Erratum. It is said that black holes swallow matter. There would then be as much matter to swallow as to push back to maintain the size of the galaxy.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #66 on: 04/08/2021 16:49:29 »
I am convinced that the supermassive black hole keeps the entire galaxy levitating by gravity and energy. This is the part that risks being refuted by arXiv. On the other hand I just then published the gravitational oscillator with the model of the hole through the Earth http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Mechanics/earthole.html. No?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #67 on: 04/08/2021 18:28:27 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 14:43:37
Gravity draws us to it as much as energy plumps us up.
I don't know what that means. 
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #68 on: 04/08/2021 18:50:53 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 16:49:29
I am convinced that the supermassive black hole keeps the entire galaxy levitating by gravity and energy.
What do you mean by levitating?  Is English your first language or are you using nonstandard meanings?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #69 on: 04/08/2021 18:55:41 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 16:04:12
It is said that black holes swallow matter. There would then be as much matter to swallow as to push back to maintain the size of the galaxy.
There is no need for a 'push back" from the black hole.  For example, do you think there is something in the sun that is pushing the planets away?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #70 on: 04/08/2021 18:57:47 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 16:49:29
On the other hand I just then published the gravitational oscillator with the model of the hole through the Earth
I've seen this concept discussed many times through the years.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #71 on: 04/08/2021 19:09:14 »
Quote from: Origin on 04/08/2021 18:57:47
I've seen this concept discussed many times through the years.

What are your sources?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #72 on: 05/08/2021 01:10:53 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 19:09:14
What are your sources?
Google this phrase:  "tunnel through earth simple harmonic motion".  You'll get hundreds of examples.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #73 on: 05/08/2021 08:49:58 »
Quote from: Origin on 04/08/2021 18:50:53
What do you mean by levitating? ...
In suspend.

Quote from: Origin on 04/08/2021 18:50:53
... Is English your first language or are you using nonstandard meanings?
I am French

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Quote from: Kartazion on 04/08/2021 14:43:37
Gravity draws us to it as much as energy plumps us up.
I don't know what that means.
Quote from: Origin on 04/08/2021 18:55:41
There is no need for a 'push back" from the black hole.  For example, do you think there is something in the sun that is pushing the planets away?
If there was no repulsive energy then we would fall into the black hole or on the sun. So yes there is energy that pushes us as much as gravity attracts us

Quote from: Origin on 05/08/2021 01:10:53
Google this phrase:  "tunnel through earth simple harmonic motion".  You'll get hundreds of examples.
It's a good step forward there. Now I just have to take this principle of gravitational oscillator and make it work with the singularity of a black hole.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #74 on: 05/08/2021 12:29:19 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 05/08/2021 08:49:58
If there was no repulsive energy then we would fall into the black hole or on the sun. So yes there is energy that pushes us as much as gravity attracts us
First, I think you are doing pretty well with your use of English.
There is no repulsive force necessary.  You should look up orbital mechanics to help you see why.
The the International space station doesn't fall to earth because it is moving in at a high rate of speed perpendicular to the force of gravity.  The ISS is moving at about 7.7 km/s.  If the speed of the ISS was stopped it would fall straight down to the earths surface.  One way to visualize this is to think of the ISS (or ANYTHING orbiting) as a body that constantly falling towards the earth but its speed makes it miss the earth.
There is no repulsive force involved.
 
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« Reply #75 on: 05/08/2021 13:59:11 »
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There is no repulsive force necessary.  You should look up orbital mechanics to help you see why.
The the International space station doesn't fall to earth because it is moving in at a high rate of speed perpendicular to the force of gravity.  The ISS is moving at about 7.7 km/s.  If the speed of the ISS was stopped it would fall straight down to the earths surface.  One way to visualize this is to think of the ISS (or ANYTHING orbiting) as a body that constantly falling towards the earth but its speed makes it miss the earth.
There is no repulsive force involved.

Isn't it just energy that makes the station move 7.7 km/s forward? Isn't this energy that moves the earth forward as it orbits the sun?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #76 on: 05/08/2021 14:16:20 »
In conclusion, the kinetic energy gives rise to the avoidance of the collapse as much as:
Quote from: Kartazion on 23/07/2021 16:04:16
*There is the avoidance by the kinetics which makes it possible not to fall into the true vacuum of the singularity. Indeed it happens at the level of the event horizon.

The event horizon in this case indicates the orbit. Kinetic energy is present. It is repulsion. Otherwise the object falls.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #77 on: 05/08/2021 15:08:11 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 05/08/2021 13:59:11
Isn't it just energy that makes the station move 7.7 km/s forward?
No, There is no energy being used to move the ISS.  There are no engines running and no energy being input into the ISS to maintain the speed.  Once the ISS had attained the velocity of 7.7 km/s it will continue to move at that speed until some force is applied to slow it down or speed it up.  This is a little complicated because there is the force of gravity (as described by Newtonian physics) that changes the direction of the ISS but not it's speed.  Look up Newtons first law of motion.

It is difficult to discuss these ideas because it is clear that you have not taken any physics courses and so you don't know some of these fundamental concepts.  I recommend that you look at online courses on youtube for first year physics.  Do not watch random youtubes or you could get immersed in pseudoscience.  I do not know any courses in French, but if the video is from a University site you will get good information.

Good luck.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #78 on: 05/08/2021 15:22:50 »
Quote from: Origin on 05/08/2021 15:08:11
No, There is no energy being used to move the ISS.  There are no engines running and no energy being input into the ISS to maintain the speed.  Once the ISS had attained the velocity of 7.7 km/s it will continue to move at that speed until some force is applied to slow it down or speed it up.  This is a little complicated because there is the force of gravity (as described by Newtonian physics) that changes the direction of the ISS but not it's speed.  Look up Newtons first law of motion.

Isn't it energy by conservation? There is a speed. Would you say that speed is without energy?

Quote from: Origin on 05/08/2021 15:08:11
It is difficult to discuss these ideas because it is clear that you have not taken any physics courses and so you don't know some of these fundamental concepts.  I recommend that you look at online courses on youtube for first year physics.  Do not watch random youtubes or you could get immersed in pseudoscience.  I do not know any courses in French, but if the video is from a University site you will get good information.

Good luck.

Yes I am working on it. Thanks
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #79 on: 05/08/2021 18:38:45 »
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There is a speed. Would you say that speed is without energy?
If I throw a ball in a vacuum, there will be energy imparted to the ball due to the force of my arm moving on the mass of the ball.  With no further input of energy to the ball will continue moving in a straight line forever.  Because the ball is moving and has mass, it has a set amount of Kinetic Energy.  The KE does not make the ball move, the ball has KE because it has a velocity.     
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