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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #120 on: 29/08/2021 23:45:26 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 29/08/2021 22:27:25
The dark energy due to expansion is.

Repulsive gravity model for dark energy https://arxiv.org/abs/1003.1379
So let me say again there is no repulsive force from the sun keeping the planets in orbit.  If you would read the orbital mechanics links I supplied, you would see that.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #121 on: 31/08/2021 06:07:41 »
Quote from: Origin on 29/08/2021 23:45:26
So let me say again there is no repulsive force from the sun keeping the planets in orbit.  If you would read the orbital mechanics links I supplied, you would see that.

Indeed I made a mistake in saying that. However, there is one detail which does not compromise the principle of the gravitational oscillator.

By the way the gravitational oscillator that I am describing, isn't it bivector?



Quote from: Origin on 05/08/2021 01:10:53
Google this phrase:  "tunnel through earth simple harmonic motion".  You'll get hundreds of examples.

This gives for G and E --> gravitational potential energy - the kinetic energy = 0

Isn't it bivectors?

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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #122 on: 31/08/2021 12:31:04 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 31/08/2021 06:07:41
This gives for G and E --> gravitational potential energy - the kinetic energy = 0

Isn't it bivectors?

No, energy is not a vector, it is a scalar quantity.

G is not the symbol for gravitational potential energy, PE is the right symbol.  E is not the symbol for kinetic energy, KE is the right symbol.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #123 on: 31/08/2021 19:38:31 »
Thanks for the detail.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #124 on: 02/09/2021 18:08:06 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 31/08/2021 19:38:31
Thanks for the detail.
Your welcome.  Details are vital when trying to communicate scientific ideas.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #125 on: 25/10/2021 07:48:49 »
Quote from: Origin on 29/08/2021 23:45:26
So let me say again there is no repulsive force from the sun keeping the planets in orbit.  If you would read the orbital mechanics links I supplied, you would see that.

Analysis of repulsive central universal force field on solar and galactic dynamics
Universal repulsive force produces circular orbital shape of the planetary orbit in the absence of other effects when the orbit is perpendicular to the radial direction of the universal force. Figure 1 shows the force acting on a celestial system, like our solar system, with an orbital plane perpendicular to the universal radial direction (tangential to a spherical shell concentric with the center of the universe).



Central universal force field to explain solar orbital radial acceleration and other universal phenomena - arXiv
Fig.1. Repulsive force acting on a celestial system with a plane perpendicular to the universal radial direction.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #126 on: 02/11/2021 06:00:38 »
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #127 on: 02/11/2021 11:44:20 »
In case you've forgotten, there is no repulsive force from the sun keeping the planets in orbit.  If you would read the orbital mechanics links I supplied, you would see that.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #128 on: 02/11/2021 12:23:51 »
Quote from: Origin on 02/11/2021 11:44:20
In case you've forgotten, there is no repulsive force from the sun keeping the planets in orbit.  If you would read the orbital mechanics links I supplied, you would see that.

Now I know that the potential barrier due to the deformation of the space-time grid which plays a role. In fact, the object which orbits by inertia slides along this potential energy barrier. For the same reason that a geostationary object remains at a distance is due to the potential barrier produced by the defonrmation of the space-time grid.

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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #129 on: 02/11/2021 13:01:09 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 02/11/2021 12:23:51
Now I know that the potential barrier due to the deformation of the space-time grid which plays a role. In fact, the object which orbits by inertia slides along this potential energy barrier. For the same reason that a geostationary object remains at a distance is due to the potential barrier produced by the defonrmation of the space-time grid.
That is just pseudoscience gibberish.  Orbital mechanics clearly gives answers that are in complete agreement with observations.  If you think you have a unique method that gives the correct answer, then by all means show it.
Using your method calculate the velocity and altitude of a geostationary satellite.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #130 on: 03/11/2021 07:06:06 »
I use the effective potential energy to do this. Geodesics in general relativity like Schwarzschild as an example is real gibberish, while my method is understood by all. The distortion of the space-time grid is produced by the gravitational field of the mass / energy of an object. Indeed Einstein's general theory of relativity explains gravity as a distortion of spacetime caused by the presence of matter or energy.

So...

I use this distortion and represent potential edges in energy (mass conversion).
Quite simply. It is obvious and straightforward.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #131 on: 03/11/2021 13:37:40 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/11/2021 07:06:06
I use this distortion and represent potential edges in energy (mass conversion).
Quite simply. It is obvious and straightforward.
Great!  Please use your simple, obvious and straight forward method to calculate the velocity and altitude of a geostationary satellite. 
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #132 on: 03/11/2021 14:15:09 »
The calculations are the same, and do not change.

I am simply saying that by deforming the space-time curvature, create a border which retains the massive object in its envelope expressed in energy of gravitational potential.

In fact nothing new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_potential


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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #133 on: 03/11/2021 16:01:20 »
I asked you to calculate the altitude and velocity of an object in orbit and you said:
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/11/2021 14:15:09
The calculations are the same, and do not change.
You then said: 
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/11/2021 14:15:09
I am simply saying that by deforming the space-time curvature, create a border which retains the massive object in its envelope expressed in energy of gravitational potential.
This appears to be a string of sciency sounding words that don't convey any meaning, but let's try to see if we can glean anything from this statement.

1.  You are saying an orbit can be calculated using the 'space time curvature' and the 'energy of gravitational potential'.
2.  You stated, "The calculations are the same, and do not change".  In other words #1 must reduce to the current orbital mechanics equations.

Using normal orbital mechanics:
The velocity of an object in a circular orbit is found by the following equation:  d6fc66d48dd543dd96a17cb7618bfb58.gif
The radius of the orbiting body can be found by the following equation: 0f04770bd73a70d4aa96b4ab8cc5dddc.gif

In your statement #1, no where do I see a velocity or and acceleration due to gravity.

Please show how your statement: deforming the space-time curvature, create a border which retains the massive object in its envelope expressed in energy of gravitational potential reduces to the equations for the orbital velocity and orbital radius.

Thanks.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #134 on: 03/11/2021 16:20:27 »
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Please show how your statement: deforming the space-time curvature, create a border which retains the massive object in its envelope expressed in energy of gravitational potential reduces to the equations for the orbital velocity and orbital radius.

Gravitational potential well of an increasing mass where

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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #136 on: 03/11/2021 17:27:50 »
Ok good.  You have shown the relationship between Gravitational Potential Energy and gravitational force, which is of course mainstream physics

OK, let's keep going we you are making some headway!

Now you need to bring in your statement about a 'border', an 'envelope' and spacetime curvature to give the equations for the distance and velocity of an orbiting body.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #137 on: 03/11/2021 17:55:49 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/11/2021 17:27:50
Now you need to bring in your statement about a 'border', an 'envelope' and spacetime curvature to give the equations for the distance and velocity of an orbiting body.

With the effective potential? (also known as effective potential energy) combines multiple, perhaps opposing, effects into a single potential. In its basic form, it is the sum of the 'opposing' centrifugal potential energy with the potential energy of a dynamical system. It may be used to determine the orbits of planets (both Newtonian and relativistic) and to perform semi-classical atomic calculations, and often allows problems to be reduced to fewer dimensions.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_potential
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #138 on: 03/11/2021 18:04:48 »
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With the effective potential? (also known as effective potential energy) combines multiple, perhaps opposing, effects into a single potential. In its basic form, it is the sum of the 'opposing' centrifugal potential energy with the potential energy of a dynamical system. It may be used to determine the orbits of planets (both Newtonian and relativistic) and to perform semi-classical atomic calculations, and often allows problems to be reduced to fewer dimensions.
This is the second time you have simply cut and pasted from wiki, but you still have not shown how your statement can reduce to the equations for the velocity and the radius of an orbiting body.

On the plus side it seems you are no longer claiming there is a repulsive force from a massive body.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #139 on: 03/11/2021 18:43:29 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/11/2021 18:04:48
... but you still have not shown how your statement can reduce to the equations for the velocity and the radius of an orbiting body.

I do not understand the question. I use the magnitude of the value of the potential to claim therein a barrier of energy of potential. As a result, the object at a sufficient distance from the earth, keep by shape memory the position at the distance of r whether it is moving or not.

Clearly, if the object does not fall, it is because it is retained by this barrier of potential. Or I ask you by what mechanism and physical explanation is it that the satellites do not fall on earth? If the centrifugal force would be the cause, then how to explain the maintenance of the distance of the earth from the sun, if the sun does not turn on itself?

Why doesn't the earth crash into the sun?
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