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Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?

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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #40 on: 21/07/2021 18:02:21 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:49:28
I believe that Tyson is correct
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:49:28
he makes the error of imagining that...

Choose one.
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What I see is that all machines break, this includes all computers that either break or get old and outdated. 
I see an internet which started with some  "first" computer.
That computer is no longer here.
But the internet is.

It's interesting that your theology depends on not knowing about hot-swappable  disk drives and RAID arrays.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #41 on: 21/07/2021 18:17:17 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 18:02:21
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:49:28
I believe that Tyson is correct
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:49:28
he makes the error of imagining that...

Choose one.
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:49:28
What I see is that all machines break, this includes all computers that either break or get old and outdated.
I see an internet which started with some  "first" computer.
That computer is no longer here.
But the internet is.

It's interesting that your theology depends on not knowing about hot-swappable  disk drives and RAID arrays.

You are making the same mistake as Tyson by trying to reconcile technology that we will have in another billion years that God already had billions of years ago with the feeble wired systems of today.

LOL do you really think God makes use of junk made in a chinese sweat shop. Really he invented his own.

OKEEDOKEE

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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #42 on: 21/07/2021 18:29:55 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 18:17:17
You are making the same mistake
No
I am pointing out that even today's technology does not suffer from the problem you think it does.

As I said, it seems part of the problem here is your reading comprehension.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #43 on: 21/07/2021 18:38:46 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 18:29:55
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 18:17:17
You are making the same mistake
No
I am pointing out that even today's technology does not suffer from the problem you think it does.

As I said, it seems part of the problem here is your reading comprehension.

LOL none of the first storage systems are even viable anymore.  So it is you who seems unaware, the fact is that todays technology is tomorrows junk, it must be reinvented and recycled.  God drops off his computers and they reproduce and with every generation get better, until they go looking for God in the heavens, and when they find him their is a big family reunion, of sorts.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #44 on: 21/07/2021 18:42:35 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 18:29:55
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 18:17:17
You are making the same mistake
No
I am pointing out that even today's technology does not suffer from the problem you think it does.

As I said, it seems part of the problem here is your reading comprehension.

LOL still viable right?

Do you need a time out?
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #45 on: 21/07/2021 19:40:35 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 18:38:46
LOL none of the first storage systems are even viable anymore. 
And yet the internet carries on.
Because, unlike you, the people who built it were clever enough to understand how you can maintain a system while replacing every bit of that system.
Don't feel too bad, you are in good company.
Trigger didn't understand it either.

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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #46 on: 21/07/2021 19:51:47 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 19:40:35
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 18:38:46
LOL none of the first storage systems are even viable anymore.
And yet the internet carries on.
Because, unlike you, the people who built it were clever enough to understand how you can maintain a system while replacing every bit of that system.
Don't feel too bad, you are in good company.
Trigger didn't understand it either.

Let me know when the first self aware computer that can mate and improve itself is invented?

Nope you can't do that can you, because God already did that.

PS. Bye the way, the internet is about to be quantum entangled which will mean that the search result will always be present from anywhere on Earth or beyond before your finger leaves the enter key as the answer was actually there before you ask.

RAID whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 

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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #47 on: 21/07/2021 20:09:07 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 19:51:47
Nope you can't do that can you, because God already did that.
Don't be silly, that was evolution- or the flying spaghetti monster; take your pick..
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #48 on: 21/07/2021 20:15:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 20:09:07
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 19:51:47
Nope you can't do that can you, because God already did that.
Don't be silly, that was evolution- or the flying spaghetti monster; take your pick..
Not according to modern physics that now claims that the universe and everything in it was created.

You may call your Mom if you need
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #49 on: 21/07/2021 20:50:16 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 20:15:09
Not according to modern physics that now claims that the universe and everything in it was created.
Nope.
Though, by that same physics- it is entirely possible, indeed, very likely, that other intelligent life evolved before we did.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #50 on: 21/07/2021 21:38:10 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 20:50:16
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 20:15:09
Not according to modern physics that now claims that the universe and everything in it was created.
Nope.
Though, by that same physics- it is entirely possible, indeed, very likely, that other intelligent life evolved before we did.
According to Tyson our universe and everything in it was created.

Including Darwin's magical pond

LOL
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #51 on: 21/07/2021 22:25:40 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 21:38:10
According to Tyson
You may have missed this, but he isn't God.
Tyson may be mistaken- in fact, you say he is.

So you can not rely on his views to support anything, can you?
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:08:22
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 17:04:12
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 16:54:42
I accept that I am the product of a molecular computer code called DNA
Are you sure that you are not a simulation of that DNA which has been programmed to think DNA is real?

Yes, ....

You think that you are real DNA.
He apparently  thinks you are simulated DNA.
Only one of you could be right.

You could, of course, both be wrong- which is more likely.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #52 on: 21/07/2021 22:31:16 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 15:13:08
There is no 50 percent chance, as the truth is always 100 percent true whether it is known or not. 
How do you know that your version of God is 100 percent true?
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #53 on: 21/07/2021 22:44:45 »
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 16:01:48
Do you believe that there is a 50 percent chance that Tyson is right, and if so how do you calculate this? or are you just believing what you see and hear
The 50% Tyson was talking about comes from two possible states regarding the simulation. First is that we are living in the real world. The other is that we are living in the last simulation in the making.

According to information theory, 1 bit of information reduces the uncertainty by a half. If there's no other information is available, that 50% is where we're left at.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #54 on: 22/07/2021 01:49:05 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 22:25:40
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 21:38:10
According to Tyson
You may have missed this, but he isn't God.
Tyson may be mistaken- in fact, you say he is.

So you can not rely on his views to support anything, can you?
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 17:08:22
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/07/2021 17:04:12
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 16:54:42
I accept that I am the product of a molecular computer code called DNA
Are you sure that you are not a simulation of that DNA which has been programmed to think DNA is real?

Yes, ....

You think that you are real DNA.
He apparently  thinks you are simulated DNA.
Only one of you could be right.

You could, of course, both be wrong- which is more likely.
His theory has no evidence to support it at all, my DNA is however real.  LOL this clown thought that he had a book deal in the making with this nonsense, but people laughed just too hard, which is why he ended up on the Larry King show
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #55 on: 22/07/2021 07:33:23 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/07/2021 22:31:16
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 15:13:08
There is no 50 percent chance, as the truth is always 100 percent true whether it is known or not.
How do you know that your version of God is 100 percent true?
Of course you don't know. There's too much uncertainty involved. There are many gods believed by humans alone. It's even possible that other hominids had their own version of gods.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #56 on: 22/07/2021 12:32:24 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/07/2021 07:33:23
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/07/2021 22:31:16
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 15:13:08
There is no 50 percent chance, as the truth is always 100 percent true whether it is known or not.
How do you know that your version of God is 100 percent true?
Of course you don't know. There's too much uncertainty involved. There are many gods believed by humans alone. It's even possible that other hominids had their own version of gods.
What do Gods have to do with the truth?  Are you saying that people create the truth in their minds?
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #57 on: 22/07/2021 12:57:17 »
Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 12:32:24
What do Gods have to do with the truth? 
Strewth!

Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 12:32:24
Are you saying that people create the truth in their minds?
I'm saying that people created God in their minds.
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #58 on: 23/07/2021 00:10:45 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/07/2021 12:57:17
Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 12:32:24
What do Gods have to do with the truth? 
Strewth!

Quote from: Europa on 22/07/2021 12:32:24
Are you saying that people create the truth in their minds?
I'm saying that people created God in their minds.

God is a scientific necessity, which is why Tyson is claiming that God created the universe. 
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Re: Does admitted atheist Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually believe in God?
« Reply #59 on: 23/07/2021 07:02:42 »
Quote from: Europa on 23/07/2021 00:10:45
God is a scientific necessity, which is why Tyson is claiming that God created the universe. 
Can we scientifically predict God's behavior?
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