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Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?

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Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« on: 26/08/2021 12:10:51 »
The answer must be "yes" because how else is the Law-enforcing agent of the Universe going to tell one particle from another. Particles move in space.
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #1 on: 26/08/2021 13:24:42 »
It is stretching the use of the word "encoded".
I never heard anyone complaining their clothes didn't fit because they had encoded too much mass.
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #2 on: 26/08/2021 15:04:22 »
Anything that reads, reads an encoding.
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #3 on: 26/08/2021 15:22:46 »
So, my slightly too tight jeans are reading an encoding of my mass.
And there was me thinking they just didn't fit any more.

What do you hope to gain by adding this mumbo-jumbo to the language?
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #4 on: 27/08/2021 13:42:19 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/08/2021 15:22:46
So, my slightly too tight jeans are reading an encoding of my mass.

Yes!

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/08/2021 15:22:46
What do you hope to gain by adding this mumbo-jumbo to the language?

Satisfaction.
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #5 on: 27/08/2021 21:00:52 »
Oh yes, particles do encode properties. Some aspects of relativity explains that there is a back-reaction of properties even encoded in space. And quantum theory likes to unify the encoding of information as a seperate but just as real phenomena associated to say energy and mass. The question is how tangible the information outside the scope of physical reality. One thing we can be fairly confident about, things like mass, exchange of energy in fields, right down the bread and butter of information, that which is encoded in everything. Even the universe according to Stephen Hawking literally encodes the history or histories, of this universe. In a DeBroglie picture, the wave function of the universe collapsed at the big bang. In the Copenhagen interpretation (which has since suffered a terrible blow to its foundation) where at the heart of it, it says quantum leaps are instantaneous, smears a number of possible infinite histories. The fact that we now know quantum leaps do actually take some time, it seems theres a cause and effect law preserved within how information is encoded and menorised in spacetime.
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #6 on: 27/08/2021 21:02:20 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/08/2021 15:22:46
So, my slightly too tight jeans are reading an encoding of my mass.


Even in an excited state as opposed to the ground state of your mass in your jeans.

*rolls eyes*
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #7 on: 27/08/2021 23:27:22 »
Quote from: BilboGrabbins on 27/08/2021 21:00:52
Oh yes, particles do encode properties.
At least Talanum 1 admitted he was trolling.
Quote from: talanum1 on 27/08/2021 13:42:19
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Re: Do Particles have their Properties Encoded Within Them?
« Reply #8 on: 28/08/2021 17:45:16 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/08/2021 23:27:22
Quote from: BilboGrabbins on 27/08/2021 21:00:52
Oh yes, particles do encode properties.
At least Talanum 1 admitted he was trolling.
Quote from: talanum1 on 27/08/2021 13:42:19
Satisfaction.

Each to his own, if he asked a question and gets a serious answer, then admits he's trolling, he's just wasting our time. Mind you, maybe not others. It's surprisingly a common question to which a lot of scientists are looking into today. At least he knows now there are serious models that talk about information being encoded in systems, with some thinking information may be more fundamental than energy or matter. Mind you, I personally don't see it quite that way as energy and matter is inseperable to spacetime, so then to me information is just the same.
« Last Edit: 28/08/2021 18:24:50 by BilboGrabbins »
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