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How Many Numbers Exist?

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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #160 on: 24/12/2022 11:15:07 »
H3 is exponentiation. We can expand rational numbers to some part of complex numbers by adding root numbers. Here's an example.
x ^ 3 = 2
In Hyperoperation notation,
x (H3)  3 = 2

There are 3 solutions for x.
x=2^(1/3) ≈ 1.2599
x=(-1 - i√3)/(2^(2/3)) ≈ -0.62996 - 1.09112i
x=(-1 + i√3)/(2^(2/3)) ≈ 0.62996 + 1.09112i

None of them are rational number.
What we usually call algebraic numbers are finite additions of one or more root numbers which have 0 imaginary component, or 0 argument in polar coordinate.
For example, 1+√2 cannot be expressed as a simple root number, which can be turned to an integer by raising it to the power of a rational number.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #161 on: 26/12/2022 07:53:28 »
Going from H3 to H4 has a problem, because exponentiation is generally non-associative. It's shown in the examples below.

plot x^(x^x) - 2
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+x%5E%28x%5Ex%29+-+2

plot( x^x)^x - 2
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot%28+x%5Ex%29%5Ex+-+2

If the brackets are omitted, Wolframalpha seems to evaluate the equation from the right most exponentiation first.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #162 on: 12/06/2023 08:02:41 »
A totally different way to do math
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There's a strange number system, featured in the work of a dozen Fields Medalists, that helps solve problems that are intractable with real numbers.
I'm wondering if this number system can help solving the problem here called "the continuum hypothesis conundrum".
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #163 on: 12/06/2023 08:07:28 »
The videos below can help us understand about p-adic numbers.

How to Wrangle Infinity (an intro to p-adic numbers)

Intuition for the p-adic metric
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #164 on: 18/06/2023 21:31:52 »
If you don't mind, i have a small query.

As the Topic of the thread is 0...

I was Wondering..

Are there any fields of knowledge in which 0 is attributed a (+) or (-) sign?

Have you ever come across a +0 or -0 value?

Thanks!
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #165 on: 19/06/2023 01:56:34 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 18/06/2023 21:31:52
If you don't mind, i have a small query.

As the Topic of the thread is 0...

I was Wondering..

Are there any fields of knowledge in which 0 is attributed a (+) or (-) sign?

Have you ever come across a +0 or -0 value?

Thanks!
I've seen them used in the study of limits.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #166 on: 29/01/2024 04:18:48 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/12/2022 11:15:07
What we usually call algebraic numbers are finite additions of one or more root numbers which have 0 imaginary component, or 0 argument in polar coordinate.
The argument in  polar coordinate can also be π to make the number real.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #167 on: 29/01/2024 04:48:12 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/09/2021 07:44:36
Math Has a Fatal Flaw
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Not everything that is true can be proven. This discovery transformed infinity, changed the course of a world war and led to the modern computer.
The video title sounds bombastic, perhaps deliberately to increase views.

IMO, the paradox and confusion comes from how we treat infinity.
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https://brilliant.org/wiki/infinity/
Infinity is the concept of an object that is larger than any number. When used in the context "...infinitely small," it can also describe an object that is smaller than any number. It is important to take special note that infinity is not a number; rather, it exists only as an abstract concept. Attempting to treat infinity as a number, without special care, can lead to a number of paradoxes.

Infinity is not a number!
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Because infinity is not a number, it requires special rules of arithmetic in order to remain consistent. This is a useful view in fields such as measure theory, which extends the real numbers by adding two numbers ∞ and −∞, that satisfy some additional rules:

a+∞ = ∞+a = ∞ (for any a besides −∞)
a−∞ = −∞+a = −∞ (for any a besides ∞)
a⋅∞ = ∞⋅a = −∞ (for positive a)
a⋅∞ = ∞⋅a = −∞ (for negative a)
a/∞ = a/-∞ = 0 (for real a)
∞/a = ∞ (for positive a)
∞/a = -∞ (for negative a)

It is worth noting that 1/0 is not ∞. Additionally, operations involving multiple infinities (such as ∞−∞ and ∞/∞) are not generally well-defined.
Importantly, note that this is an extension of the real numbers chosen specifically to allow infinity to be treated as a number; without this context, infinity remains a concept rather than a number. For instance, the following sections continue to treat infinity as a concept rather than a number, because the measure theory context above no longer applies
Accepting the validity of diagonalization method comes with the cost of flawed and broken math. The diagonalization method contains loop holes like what we find in "proof" demonstrating that 1=2.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #168 on: 31/01/2024 00:00:34 »
"Prove" 2 = 1 Using Calculus Derivatives - Can You Spot The Mistake?
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #169 on: 31/01/2024 13:20:31 »
Quote from: Eternal Student on 02/12/2022 01:58:45
Any number can be represented with a finite amount of information or digital bits of information.   It's just that you can't have this ability for all numbers simultaneously.
I don't think it's true. If a number has infinitely long digits with no algorithm to express those digits, it cannot be represented with a finite amount of bits. Algorithmic numbers can be represented with a finite amount of information. They are essentially compressible numbers. On the other hand, non-algorithmic numbers are incompressible. There are infinitely many more incompressible numbers than compressible numbers.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #170 on: 31/01/2024 16:40:26 »
Have you found an answer to the question "how many numbers exist"?
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #171 on: 31/01/2024 16:47:31 »
"As many as you want" or words to that effect is what I suggested long long time ago.
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Re: How Many Numbers Exist?
« Reply #172 on: 31/01/2024 21:25:25 »
Quote from: Origin on 31/01/2024 16:40:26
Have you found an answer to the question "how many numbers exist"?
Yes, it's infinitely many.
Infinity itself is not a number. It's an abstract concept. Treating it as a number like what Cantor did led to contradictions.
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