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proposes that a universal ether arose first-causally, and is composed of individual first-causal units that are so super-rarified that the photons which transmit visible light merely "brush them aside,
Quote from: MichaelMD on 15/11/2021 13:40:50proposes that a universal ether arose first-causally, and is composed of individual first-causal units that are so super-rarified that the photons which transmit visible light merely "brush them aside,You are proposing an ether that isn't the ether.Why are you doing that?Do you not realise that words have meanings?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/11/2021 13:14:58Quote from: MichaelMD on 15/11/2021 13:40:50proposes that a universal ether arose first-causally, and is composed of individual first-causal units that are so super-rarified that the photons which transmit visible light merely "brush them aside,You are proposing an ether that isn't the ether.Why are you doing that?Do you not realise that words have meanings?To add one more reason to seriously consider my Ether Model, I would propose re-thinking the question of the nature of Time. The question of the true nature of Time has been an ongoing controversy for a long time. A few fairly well-known theorists have even suggested abolishing the idea that Time exists at all.If you generally-review my Ether Model, it is based on the concept of a first-causal state that existed everywhere (i.e., it transitioned from an initial universal state that originally existed in Space, of symmetrical point-oscillation) ether composed of individual ether units that vibrate (rather than oscillate.)to apply this model to the question of the nature of Time, it is that Time represents a Rate, specifically the rate of vibration of the units of the ether, because such an ether must exist, and exert its influence, everywhere, both inside and outside everything.
The entire post is meaningless word salad. Why would you even post this ridiculous mish mash of random sciency sounding words devoid of any coherent content?
etheric energy
Quote from: MichaelMD on 08/12/2021 13:15:30etheric energy You need to provide experimental evidence of these.Without them, you might as well say "the fairies make it work"For a theoretic model like my Ether Model, physical experimentation (which would require financing) would have to come after serious consideration of it by science.So far, the physics consensus has been inflexible in dismissing the ether-concept. About all that's left, for someone advocating a major alternative to a major stance of the Consensus, is to post on the Internet, as I have been doing.
the physics consensus has been inflexible in dismissing the ether-concept
physical experimentation (which would require financing) would have to come after serious consideration of it by science.
Quote from: MichaelMD on 10/12/2021 13:45:00 the physics consensus has been inflexible in dismissing the ether-conceptNot really.Here's a list of the experiments put into showing that ether isn't real.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether#Negative_aether-drift_experimentsIt's not as if science simply dismissed it; they puta lot of effort into showing that the ether is not real.And then you come along and say that they are all wrong.And when I ask for evidence about that, I get this hogwash.Quote from: MichaelMD on 10/12/2021 13:45:00 physical experimentation (which would require financing) would have to come after serious consideration of it by science.Well, science did seriously consider it.That's why nobody would fund your ideas.
Parenthetically, my Model would have it that although photons do not interact inertially with ether, as experimenters normally assume they should,
When Michelson and Morley ran their experiment in 1887, and got a "null" result for the existence of an ether, they assumed that any type of ether would necessarily have to interact with the visible light beams they measured.
Quote from: MichaelMD on 13/12/2021 13:07:15When Michelson and Morley ran their experiment in 1887, and got a "null" result for the existence of an ether, they assumed that any type of ether would necessarily have to interact with the visible light beams they measured.Again, that's part of the definition of the luminiferous ether
There have been serious proposals to re-visit the Michelson Morley Experiment (MMX), in recent years, by running the MMX in space, as a way around persisting questions about the definitiveness of physics dismissing the ether by using MMX as a basis for it.This runs against the point you made that further experiments in physics are thought to have have "nailed" the ether question.
my Model would have it that although photons do not interact inertially with ether,
Quote from: MichaelMD on 15/12/2021 06:07:33There have been serious proposals to re-visit the Michelson Morley Experiment (MMX), in recent years, by running the MMX in space, as a way around persisting questions about the definitiveness of physics dismissing the ether by using MMX as a basis for it.This runs against the point you made that further experiments in physics are thought to have have "nailed" the ether question.No, it just means you don't understand how science works.They are doing an experiment to confirm what they already know from many other experiments.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether#Negative_aether-drift_experimentsThey expect the shift to be zero.Now, please go and look up what the luminiferous ether was meant to do.Then , when you realise that its job was to carry light (it didn't have another role at the time), you will see why thisQuote from: MichaelMD on 13/12/2021 13:07:15my Model would have it that although photons do not interact inertially with ether, (like your previous post) makes no sense.You are saying that the waves hitting the beach have no interaction with the seawaterChemist, you keep citing concepts of light-propagation according to the views of quantists. By denying the existence of any type of underlying universal ether, they overlook my kind of ether model, in which the ether is composed of super-rarified units that do not interact in any inertial fashion with the much-larger quantum units that transmit visible light. An ether model like mine is basically very different from quantum theory, as to how light propagates.In my Model, the primary initiation of transmission of a light beam occurs at the level of the ether. Ether units at the source of the light beam vibrationally "feel" the linear forces of other ether units at a nearby source of energy, causing further ether units in the area to align with each other, rather than vibrating quietly and randomly, so that their vibrations increasingly come into contact with each other. This in turn increases the entrainment of the ether units into larger and larger light-energy units, which take on a photonic type of vibratory pattern, as they entrain with each other, up to the size-scale of the visible units of light energy (photons).It is this underlying linear etheric vibratory process that underlies the visible quantum-dynamic processes involving waves and fields. It is the ether that represents the true origin of the light we see.(In my ether model, although ether units involved in light-transmission do not interact inertially with the vastly-larger light-units like photons, the photons, which, like all larger units, were originally formed by entrainments of vibrating elemental ether units, still retain the ability to interact vibrationally with the ether units all around them in the ether matrix. Photons seen with a sun beam can number in the trillions. You might ask a quantist where all those photons are coming from, when the source of energy is millions of miles away. -The ether is everywhere, and its vibratory dynamics are conducted in a continuous way, over any transmissional distance (although, in my Ether Model, the ether units are not perfectly contiguous, being vibrational, the ether's transmissibility is unlimited by distance.) Your references to "luminiferous" are not relevant. My ether model of light-propagation is the correct one.
my kind of ether model, in which the ether is composed of super-rarified units that do not interact in any inertial fashion with the much-larger quantum units that transmit visible light.
Photons seen with a sun beam can number in the trillions. You might ask a quantist where all those photons are coming from,
Quote from: MichaelMD on 17/12/2021 17:25:16my kind of ether model, in which the ether is composed of super-rarified units that do not interact in any inertial fashion with the much-larger quantum units that transmit visible light. Is that meant to mean something?
If you took the time to read my basic ether model