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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #80 on: 22/02/2022 21:16:08 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 22/02/2022 20:44:00
High speed "slows down" time while low gravity "speeds it up".
Which time are you talking about that had slowed down?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #81 on: 22/02/2022 21:24:42 »
In short, black holes are massive pits of gravity that bend space-time because of their incredibly dense centers, or singularities. This time.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #82 on: 22/02/2022 21:40:16 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 22/02/2022 21:24:42
In short, black holes are massive pits of gravity that bend space-time because of their incredibly dense centers, or singularities. This time.
Please, be specific.

Pits of GRAVITY? What are you talking about? Are you talking about a SUPER MASSIVE object, a star,  that has a super gravity and you called it BLACK HOLE?

Which did you bend in spacetime? Space or time?

Please, be specific...

Tell me, do you really understand GRAVITY? If you do, then, tell me, by using GRAVITY, how can you predict the existence of Black Hole? And how to confirm it?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #83 on: 22/02/2022 21:48:45 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:16:08
Which time are you talking about that had slowed down?
Time will pass more slowly in any inertial reference frame that is moving relative to your frame.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #84 on: 22/02/2022 21:50:34 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
Which did you bend in spacetime? Space or time?
Both.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #85 on: 22/02/2022 21:51:35 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
... Are you talking about a SUPER MASSIVE object, a star,  that has a super gravity and you called it BLACK HOLE?
I am talking about gravitational singularity.

A gravitational singularity, spacetime singularity or simply singularity is a condition in which gravity is so intense that spacetime itself breaks down catastrophically.

Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
... how can you predict the existence of Black Hole? And how to confirm it?
By calculations and radio telescopes.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #86 on: 22/02/2022 21:57:20 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 22/02/2022 21:47:02
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
... how can you predict the existence of Black Hole? And how to confirm it?
By calculations and radio telescopes.
Oh...now I got. You really had no clue on gravity, then, you really had no clue, probably of gravitational waves or bending of light or lensing..... from these ignorance, you will NEVER know what is a Black Hole... You must admit it first...

Then, if you don't know it, even though you can calculate, you will never surely know what are you calculating about or what are you seeing about with telescope..
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #87 on: 22/02/2022 22:01:45 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 22/02/2022 21:51:35
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
... Are you talking about a SUPER MASSIVE object, a star,  that has a super gravity and you called it BLACK HOLE?
I am talking about gravitational singularity.

A gravitational singularity, spacetime singularity or simply singularity is a condition in which gravity is so intense that spacetime itself breaks down catastrophically.

Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
... how can you predict the existence of Black Hole? And how to confirm it?

OK, if that scientist has no clue whatsoever on GRAVITY like you, how could that scientist say or conclude that there's such a thing as gravitational singularity? Who said that and why we need to accept that explanation?

"A gravitational singularity, spacetime singularity or simply singularity is a condition in which gravity is so intense that spacetime itself breaks down catastrophically."

They need to debate me first and defeat me.. Oh my goodness... anybody could invent explanations in science... oh my...

Is that "so intense that spacetime itself breaks down catastrophically" a black hole? Be speciific...
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #88 on: 22/02/2022 22:03:44 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 21:50:34
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
Which did you bend in spacetime? Space or time?
Both.
Oh...can you bend time? And whose or which time can you bend?? oh my... oh my... oh no....Please be specific...
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #89 on: 22/02/2022 22:05:02 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 21:48:45
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:16:08
Which time are you talking about that had slowed down?
Time will pass more slowly in any inertial reference frame that is moving relative to your frame.
I knew that time will slow down when you are speeding up to the speed of photon of light... between you and photon but what are you talking about?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #90 on: 22/02/2022 22:06:57 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:05:02
I knew that time will slow down when you are speeding up to the speed of photon of light.
Well, gravity also acts in this way on time.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #91 on: 22/02/2022 22:14:13 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 22/02/2022 22:06:57
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:05:02
I knew that time will slow down when you are speeding up to the speed of photon of light.
Well, gravity also acts in this way on time.
Please, be fair and be honest.
Tell me, do you really understand GRAVITY? If you do, then, tell me, by using GRAVITY, how can you predict the existence of Black Hole? And how to confirm it?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #92 on: 22/02/2022 22:15:26 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 21:40:16
If you do, then, tell me, by using GRAVITY, how can you predict the existence of Black Hole?

The Schwarzschild radius is an exact solution to Einstein's field equations and it is the radius of the event horizon around a black hole.  eea6c47e4ce436a62e21b47ef3b8f03a.gif

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And how to confirm it?

Observational support for black hole:



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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #93 on: 22/02/2022 22:17:27 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:14:13
Please, be fair and be honest.
Tell me, do you really understand GRAVITY?
No. Do you?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #94 on: 22/02/2022 22:21:20 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:05:02
I knew that time will slow down when you are speeding up to the speed of photon of light... between you and photon but what are you talking about?
I am talking about relativity.  Relativity applies to ALL speeds.  The effects are not pronounced at low speeds but they are still there.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #95 on: 22/02/2022 22:26:35 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 22:15:26
Schwarzschild
I did not talk to Schwarzschild, so I cannot ask him if he too knew about GRAVITY, because anybody could imagine anything and use and invent formula and conclude, "Hey, this formula is part of nature about gravity". If Schwarzschild did not know GRAVITY, then, his calculation, whatever good it is, is wrong. FIRST, you must see the real reality of GRAVITY and use math...
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #96 on: 22/02/2022 22:29:22 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 22/02/2022 22:17:27
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:14:13
Please, be fair and be honest.
Tell me, do you really understand GRAVITY?
No. Do you?
Thank you for being honest. That is why from today, stop talking about GRAVITY and its related topic since you will only be messing gravity more and showing yourself as stupid.

Yes. I think I knew what Einstein had seen about Gravity. The only thing that I did not know is what composed of gravity.. a photon or another particle, I do not know... Graviton or I called it squeezon.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #97 on: 22/02/2022 22:32:54 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 22:21:20
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:05:02
I knew that time will slow down when you are speeding up to the speed of photon of light... between you and photon but what are you talking about?
I am talking about relativity.  Relativity applies to ALL speeds.  The effects are not pronounced at low speeds but they are still there.
I knew it, but I am just specific: between me and the photon
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #98 on: 22/02/2022 22:35:41 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:03:44
Oh...can you bend time?
Yes, spacetime is warped by a mass, both space and time.
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And whose or which time can you bend??
The time and space affected by the mass.
Time at the surface of the earth for instance passes more slowly than time passing farther away from the earth.  This has been shown experimentally, countless of times.
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oh my... oh my... oh no....Please be specific...
...Oh yes... it's a real thing.
Here is one experiment: https://www.science.org/content/article/after-botched-launch-orbiting-atomic-clocks-confirm-einsteins-theory-relativity
There are many more, just google it.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #99 on: 22/02/2022 22:39:31 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:32:54
I knew it
Then why ask?
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:32:54
but I am just specific: between me and the photon
What is that supposed to mean?  There is no time dilation between you and a photon, a photon does not have a valid reference frame. 
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