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How does microwave superheat water?

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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #140 on: 21/12/2023 15:09:45 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/12/2023 14:59:17
Countless observations of bumping have been recorded.
You can buy stuff to stop it.
https://apcpure.com/product/anti-bumping-granules/

If you can't replicate it, that's your screw up.
Nevertheless, my setup can still consistently produced superheated water when microwave oven is used. Which was the reason why I tried to identify the difference in the first place.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #141 on: 21/12/2023 15:16:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/12/2023 15:01:02
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/12/2023 14:44:06
Infrared thermometer has its own challenges, since it's affected by emmissivity of the surface.
I have good news for you.
The emissivity of water near its boiling point is the same as the emissivity of water near its boiling point.
A more interesting problem is how far into the water does the thermometer "see"?
What about at the center?

What's the highest temperature of superheated water have you ever measured?
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #142 on: 21/12/2023 15:51:44 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/12/2023 15:06:52
Just like any hypothesis, its veracity still needs to be verified.

What experiment would show it to be false?
Come back when you have tested it.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #143 on: 22/12/2023 06:40:58 »
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Microwave ovens used to heat food are not set to the frequency for optimal absorption by water. If they were, then the piece of food or liquid in question would absorb all microwave radiation in its outer layer, leading to a cool, unheated centre and a superheated surface. [4] Instead, the frequency selected allows energy to penetrate deeper into the heated food. The frequency of a household microwave oven is 2.45 GHz, while the frequency for optimal absorbency by water is around 10 GHz.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_heating
 
Here's some info to consider in experiments using microwave oven.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #144 on: 22/12/2023 06:46:28 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/12/2023 15:51:44
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/12/2023 15:06:52
Just like any hypothesis, its veracity still needs to be verified.

What experiment would show it to be false?
Come back when you have tested it.
If the container can be heated from the outside to be hotter than the water, and the water is still superheated.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #145 on: 03/03/2024 12:11:40 »
I just finished editing my old video using microwave oven to heat up a neon test lamp. It breaks down and burn in flame, and leaving some smoke. Instead of explanations, this short video asks some questions, like which part of the neon lamp absorbs microwave energy the most? What's the nature of the flame and smoke?
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #146 on: 04/03/2024 08:23:07 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 03/03/2024 12:11:40
I just finished editing my old video using microwave oven to heat up a neon test lamp. It breaks down and burn in flame, and leaving some smoke. Instead of explanations, this short video asks some questions, like which part of the neon lamp absorbs microwave energy the most? What's the nature of the flame and smoke?

Here it is.

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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #147 on: 04/03/2024 11:12:16 »
This video explore the danger from microwave oven for those who are curious, while still want to enjoy the safety behind a monitor.

I Tested the Limits of a Microwave
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I'm still surprised how the experiments went at the end

Please note: This is for educational purposes, I don't encourage people to try this themselves
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #148 on: 04/03/2024 19:10:49 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 04/03/2024 08:23:07
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 03/03/2024 12:11:40
I just finished editing my old video using microwave oven to heat up a neon test lamp. It breaks down and burn in flame, and leaving some smoke. Instead of explanations, this short video asks some questions, like which part of the neon lamp absorbs microwave energy the most? What's the nature of the flame and smoke?

Here it is.


can you post a picture of the neon lamp?
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #149 on: 05/03/2024 01:31:12 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/03/2024 19:10:49
can you post a picture of the neon lamp?
Just google it.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #150 on: 07/03/2024 11:16:34 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/03/2024 01:31:12
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/03/2024 19:10:49
can you post a picture of the neon lamp?
Just google it.
I don't see how this was meant to help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(2017_film)


but that's what I got by googling "it".

This is what a neon lamp commonly looks like, but it's not what was in your video.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Neon_lamp_NE-2.JPG

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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #151 on: 07/03/2024 12:52:46 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/03/2024 11:16:34
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/03/2024 01:31:12
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/03/2024 19:10:49
can you post a picture of the neon lamp?
Just google it.
I don't see how this was meant to help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(2017_film)


but that's what I got by googling "it".

This is what a neon lamp commonly looks like, but it's not what was in your video.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Neon_lamp_NE-2.JPG



Neon lamp can take various shapes.



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+DC (left), -DC (center), AC (right) supplied to NE-2 type neon lamps

Try searching for neon lamp tester.




Try searching for fuse type neon lamp.


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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #152 on: 08/03/2024 03:33:21 »
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In this video I demonstrated how microwaves lose a great deal of their power, when you step away from the antenna source, In case you're wondering how far away I can get from my Lectenna, and light them up with my microwave, it was 37 feet.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #153 on: 24/06/2024 13:09:36 »
The article below might be related to this topic.
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https://news.mit.edu/2024/how-light-can-vaporize-water-without-heat-0423

How light can vaporize water without the need for heat
Surprising ?photomolecular effect? discovered by MIT researchers could affect calculations of climate change and may lead to improved desalination and drying processes.
David L. Chandler | MIT News
Publication Date:April 23, 2024

It?s the most fundamental of processes ? the evaporation of water from the surfaces of oceans and lakes, the burning off of fog in the morning sun, and the drying of briny ponds that leaves solid salt behind. Evaporation is all around us, and humans have been observing it and making use of it for as long as we have existed.

And yet, it turns out, we?ve been missing a major part of the picture all along.

Perhaps there is also the inverse effect of this "photomolecular effect?, where water doesn't evaporate even when it has received more energy than required to boil it.

New MIT Discovery Just Solved Water's BIGGEST Mystery!
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Scientific discoveries have a way of changing the world. Like the photo-electric effect that paved the way for LEDs and Solar panels. For a long time, we thought the sun evaporated water by heating it, but a new discovery on the Photo-Molecular Effect might just change our understanding of the water cycle forever. And there just might be countless new innovations that stem from it. From more efficient desalination, to new methods of keeping cool, this has the potential to be a gamechanger! So how does it work, and just how impactful might it be? Let's figure this out together!

Chapters
0:00 - Introduction
1:00 - Evaporation
2:06 - Photomolecular Effect
5:40 - How it works
9:00 - Efficiency
10:00 - Why it MATTERS
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #154 on: 06/07/2024 01:27:24 »
Microwave Oven Standing Wave Visualization
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This is an experiment that I devised to help visualize where the hot spots are inside of a microwave oven. I came across some thermal paper yesterday and decided to put it to use.

The microwaves inside of a microwave oven are electromagnetic waves and are reflected inside the oven. These waves interact with each other and form interference patterns that result in areas that are intense and areas that have essentially zero microwave energy. The thermal paper forms a thermograph of the interference pattern.

I performed the experiment three times, once with the thermal paper at the bottom of the oven, once with it two inches above the bottom, and once with it on the carousel.
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Re: How does microwave superheat water?
« Reply #155 on: 24/10/2024 13:26:59 »
I built a 20,000 watt microwave oven!
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0:00 introduction
2:57 Opera sponsored segment
4:30 building the 20kW microwave oven
6:29 first experiments
10:49 flash cooking food
13:53 melting metals
18:51 melting tungsten
20:55 colorful microwave plasmas
30:22 ionization explanation
33:28 health updates

We are lucky that someone is willing to take the risks to find out curious things about microwave so we don't have to.
There are many interesting experiments in this video, but the water boiling starts at around 6:34 to 7:00.
Spoiler: show
The water seems to explode, or at least boils quickly at the upper part of the glass. Unfortunately it doesn't show indication of superheating, which can be done by disturbing or contaminating the seemingly calm water after being heated by microwave. He didn't mention if he used demineralized water.

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