[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

Hello.
 I'll edit it latter on.

 Had this thought experiment with images rather than math, which I really don't understand at all, so I ask:

 It's possible that the photon do have mass and happens that due their configuration can't store it or keep it, therefore their mass occurs one frame behind the next plank?
 As if the warp was to fast to even quantity their mass so instead of giving it to the photons as particles, such mass is lost in the previous frame, and once there mass without a geometrical "particle/vibration" becomes "volume/space"?

 Could it be that the elusive force expanding the universe is the mass of the photonic light emitted by the stars?
 Only visible if observing the past.

 Mass without matter is empty volume?

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It's possible that the photon do have mass and happens that due their configuration can't store it or keep it,

Probably not, since matter cannot move at the speed of light.

therefore their mass occurs one frame behind the next plank

Could expound on this?  I don't know what 'one frame behind the next plank' means.

 As if the warp was to fast to even quantity their mass

I don't know what that means, please explain further.

so instead of giving it to the photons as particles, such mass is lost in the previous frame, and once there mass without a geometrical "particle/vibration" becomes "volume/space"?

How could a particle become space?  That would clearly violate the conservation of mass and energy so it seems highly unlikely.

Could it be that the elusive force expanding the universe is the mass of the photonic light emitted by the stars?
 Only visible if observing the past.

Light cannot expand space, light has inertia so it could conceivably have some effect on matter but not space.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

It's possible that the photon do have mass and happens that due their configuration can't store it or keep it,

Probably not, since matter cannot move at the speed of light.

therefore their mass occurs one frame behind the next plank

Could expound on this?  I don't know what 'one frame behind the next plank' means.

As if the warp was to fast to even quantity their mass

I don't know what that means, please explain further.

so instead of giving it to the photons as particles, such mass is lost in the previous frame, and once there mass without a geometrical "particle/vibration" becomes "volume/space"?

How could a particle become space?  That would clearly violate the conservation of mass and energy so it seems highly unlikely.

Could it be that the elusive force expanding the universe is the mass of the photonic light emitted by the stars?
 Only visible if observing the past.

Light cannot expand space, light has inertia so it could conceivably have some effect on matter but not space.

 First assume light is but "interference", mathematical probability originated from the atomic structure. Every single photon we assume to be a massless particle, is infact pure geometrical math.
 Visualize a spiral like hurricane 🌀 when it's on the atomic structure. Created and originated by quantum mechanics, not real as a particle but a physical representation of where the electron could/should be at all instances.

 When the potential energy of a atomic structure surpasses the ideal, it's ejected from the system.
 Once there it remains the same thing only changing it's configuration to a flat one, such geometry still holds the recipe for mass, but can no longer hold/store it on itself.
 
 The thought sugest that the void is created and sustained by photons occurrence.
 Not "light per saying ", light being the culprit for causality, but not the thing itself, the empty volume.

 Assume that light doesn't travel at any speed, it's relativistic speed remains zero on its own frame, but instead light is a phenomenal that which "occurs at C".
 C being not a speed but a tic tac, a rate of quantification.
 The max "speed" anything can be qualified "in existence" from one plank to another plank.

 To sugest that I first assumed that universe "doesn't exist" constantly at all times as one something.
 Rather "everything exists" in one fraction of a moment, for a quick unquantifiable moment it all desapears, and reappears when the quantification it's done.

 It's hard to explain with limited English.
 Means that light is interference, it has mass as potential and it infact recieves mass.
 BUT
 Such mass, attributed to all of the photons "can't find" it's creator "in the present frame, that creator/catalyst being the photonic interference which by the time the mass it's created it's already on the "next updated frame".
 The tic tac had erased the culprit for that potential mass "in time".
 BUT
 The allocation it's made, can't be unmade, mass was given to something that's no longer there but still exists on the future frame.
 Such mass/potential becomes "null" and start to "Chase" the catalyst of it's very existence.
 That being the photon in the future frame.
 By frame I've adopted one plank as the smallest distance on a straight line.

 The attempt describled above, happens "at every single plank distance" that one photon will produce till it hits matter and it's absorbed and reemited or traped there.
  Since the catalyst "photon" no longer exists as it was it's "trail" can no longer "find it in time"
 
 It's complicated to visualize further more to put in words.

 The "would be potential mass" of the photon generated in each plank jump, can never reach the photon.
 The very attempt of chasing the photon "warps space by itself", the empty volume is pure geometrical void.
 Not mass but the geometrical allocated volume for mass, a mass that no longer exists "there", but it still exists in the future.

 The attempt of reaching the photons warps space by space itself, resulting on the illusion we call as gravity.

 Also the elusive dark energy being related to that phenomenon as all the missing mass would belong to all the photons that exist ONLY undetectable for such mass is NOW detected on the present frame of observation but it actually only exists as a potential mass "in the past", and only observed if from a relevant distance "in time".

 You know its there, you just don't know where.
 I sugest "when" it is.
 One jump behind us, in the past.

 Call it temporal mass.
  Chasing everything there is acting as a wave that goes in all possible directions "starting from the original linear one".
 As more photons are emitted by formed stars, more "allocated empty volume" is created leading to expansion.
 
 The more denser the volume the faster C "seems to become", for ever increasing the distance from A to B, leading to the notion of Time.

 Still need to think more about it.

 It can be started as: Photons have mass, but that mass geometrically misses the photon and starts to chase it by law, the newly geometrically/mathematical volume created "in time/is time" starts to warp itself "by itself math/geometry", and that is gravity.

 Sry the bad English.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

It's possible that the photon do have mass and happens that due their configuration can't store it or keep it,

Probably not, since matter cannot move at the speed of light.

therefore their mass occurs one frame behind the next plank

Could expound on this?  I don't know what 'one frame behind the next plank' means.

As if the warp was to fast to even quantity their mass

I don't know what that means, please explain further.

so instead of giving it to the photons as particles, such mass is lost in the previous frame, and once there mass without a geometrical "particle/vibration" becomes "volume/space"?

How could a particle become space?  That would clearly violate the conservation of mass and energy so it seems highly unlikely.

Could it be that the elusive force expanding the universe is the mass of the photonic light emitted by the stars?
 Only visible if observing the past.

Light cannot expand space, light has inertia so it could conceivably have some effect on matter but not space.

 Im deliberately suggesting that light occurrence created/still does, the void known as space, a temporal allocation for would be photonic mass, that when in the absence of atomic structure becomes "space/time and gravity"....  I was thinking about "everything is the light" and the geometrical relation PI could have with everything, which lead to a visualization of a typon like structure we call photon.
 Not real as a particle but merely "a probably" created by the electron, or where the electron should exist "in the past and future" given the present frame probabilities.
 When it's no longer necessary it's discarded "still" it can't be lost, and started to create warps and along site this attempt it started gradually to create space/gravity and all that in time, so time as well.

 

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

It's possible that the photon do have mass and happens that due their configuration can't store it or keep it,

Probably not, since matter cannot move at the speed of light.

therefore their mass occurs one frame behind the next plank

Could expound on this?  I don't know what 'one frame behind the next plank' means.

As if the warp was to fast to even quantity their mass

I don't know what that means, please explain further.

so instead of giving it to the photons as particles, such mass is lost in the previous frame, and once there mass without a geometrical "particle/vibration" becomes "volume/space"?

How could a particle become space?  That would clearly violate the conservation of mass and energy so it seems highly unlikely.

Could it be that the elusive force expanding the universe is the mass of the photonic light emitted by the stars?
 Only visible if observing the past.

Light cannot expand space, light has inertia so it could conceivably have some effect on matter but not space.

 Im deliberately suggesting that light occurrence created/still does, the void known as space, a temporal allocation for would be photonic mass, that when in the absence of atomic structure becomes "space/time and gravity"....  I was thinking about "everything is the light" and the geometrical relation PI could have with everything, which lead to a visualization of a typon like structure we call photon.
 Not real as a particle but merely "a probably" created by the electron, or where the electron should exist "in the past and future" given the present frame probabilities.
 When it's no longer necessary it's discarded "still" it can't be lost, and started to create warps and along site this attempt it started gradually to create space/gravity and all that in time, so time as well.

 

On a even shorter attempt:
 Light is the interference that gives mass to everything there is and itself, in time.
 The photon is why the electron and everything else vibrates and can exist as a thing in the first time.
 Photons not traveling trough space time, photons created space time as the original "universal star" exploded.
 We might as well be on an area of a very gigantic black hole

 Wondering if black hole in fact sucks anything, or if they simple when the star exploded is sometimes able to "delay away from C" and becomes disconnected from the grid and space starts to fall towards it in order to seal the hole.
 Negative hole, positive hole, no difference.
 Space time would read them both, BH and Planets as a catalyst and will attribute them with mass, mass potential that was originally created by the light occurrence.

 You can move trough space time and on every single frame you'll have the same mass, unless you start to accelerate.

 Not sure C is indeed a "limit" to anything.
 It seems C it's more a tictac rate, where anything moving at a matching speed would not be able to be recreated in the next frame and would desapears.
 But nothing ever proved C is the limit.

 A warp should be proporcional, light is a warp.

 The more I trying to simplify the more away from models it gets 😆

As if the heat one feels from a light it's not due particles but by time itself, as all of the energy.

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 Light is the interference that gives mass to everything there is and itself, in time.
 The photon is why the electron and everything else vibrates and can exist as a thing in the first time.
 Photons not traveling trough space time, photons created space time as the original "universal star" exploded.

There is no evidence that I am aware of that would support those conjectures.

Wondering if black hole in fact sucks anything, or if they simple when the star exploded is sometimes able to "delay away from C" and becomes disconnected from the grid and space starts to fall towards it in order to seal the hole.

A black hole is more like a very compact gravity source.

 Not sure C is indeed a "limit" to anything.
 It seems C it's more a tictac rate, where anything moving at a matching speed would not be able to be recreated in the next frame and would desapears.
 But nothing ever proved C is the limit.

The speed of light is invariant and as a consequence, the speed of light is the max speed of the universe.

A warp should be proporcional, light is a warp.

I think you are using the wrong word.  'Warp' means bend.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

Light is the interference that gives mass to everything there is and itself, in time.
 The photon is why the electron and everything else vibrates and can exist as a thing in the first time.
 Photons not traveling trough space time, photons created space time as the original "universal star" exploded.

There is no evidence that I am aware of that would support those conjectures.

Wondering if black hole in fact sucks anything, or if they simple when the star exploded is sometimes able to "delay away from C" and becomes disconnected from the grid and space starts to fall towards it in order to seal the hole.

A black hole is more like a very compact gravity source.

Not sure C is indeed a "limit" to anything.
 It seems C it's more a tictac rate, where anything moving at a matching speed would not be able to be recreated in the next frame and would desapears.
 But nothing ever proved C is the limit.

The speed of light is invariant and as a consequence, the speed of light is the max speed of the universe.

A warp should be proporcional, light is a warp.

I think you are using the wrong word.  'Warp' means bend.

 I deliberately meant warp, for light.
 Bending if it would have a center of mass, but assuming that the mass attributed to the photons are "null" and the allocated volume occurs "behind/past" frame, the bending acts as a warp engine.
 The mass stills "null" as a thing but the volume was allocated regardless and stairs there, in the past of the trajectory, represented as empty volume, without energy, but real as it represents "time".
 Space and time combined as both cause and consequence, in time.

 All that produced and sustained by the light phenomenon.

 Yeah, just a thought experiment, conjectures as any crude idea.
 Perhaps once shared other people that do understand the math and other aspects can have a better understanding about it.

 I'm assuming that light is the cause of all that's not mater, space, time, gravity and also dark energy.

 I don't think particle or relativity or even quantum mechanics to be wrong as they can explain most of anything.

 I think that the missing part that binds everything it's an upsidedown assumption which occured at the moment Einstein presented the concept of a black hole.

 Light causes gravity, caused space and sustains time.

 And it all would start from the assumption that photons recieves their mass one plank distance behind their present frame, and such would be mass is quantified, allocated but since it can't be stored remains null.
 That occuring all along the light path, which leads to time as past, present and future.
 Space and time combined as cause and consequence, one and the same.

 And gravity related with both, as the physical representation of all of the wave such phenomenon would cause trough it's trajectory, visible when it "ends".
 That when it "hits" mater.
 When the temporal warp light causes trough out it's whole trajectory of billions of years, start to colide with mater, it than start to "push" the object, and the binding is up to electromagnetic forces.
 It doesn't literally pushes or pulls anything, rather the object recieves the whole temporal path of light, and it grants it the ability to move.

 Also suggestion a way in which the stars are part of what keeps the planets in orbit and away.

 Turn off the lights everywhere you'll turn off gravity, even that would take "time" it would take the age of the universe on that moment to inevitable colapse it back.
 The more the stars and more spread they become the faster the expansion.
 But also as the lights fade, it will eventually and inevitable collapse in an instant.
 That's because there will be no more "space or time" or gravity.
 It, matter will simple fall back not only towards a point but towards itself as well.

 A lot of assumptions, but it somewhat "feels" right.

 Light occurrence created space, and space isn't real as it only exists in time, because of gravity.
 Gravity being the occurency of light.

 Stars get more scattered and still as powerful, the temporal mass expands the volume as a geometrical puzzle, but also weaker the gravity gets as the light becomes less energetic from what it originally was.
  Faster expansion, lower gravity.

 It doubles, suggest that, time is sustained by gravity, and gravity is sustained by light occurrence, and one day on a very very distant future, the past will start to move towards the future in an instant, speeding up far beyond the C limit.
 C seems to be not a speed but an occurrence.
 Light is still relative to zero at rest on its own frame, it's the warp effect it causes that produces and sustains space and gravity all at once, by itself, time it's when it stores it.

 The past is where energy comes from and it's stored, that's why we move, the stars produce their own gravity and the planets take a ride with it's warp.
 But at the same time it's the stars that produced space and gravity, so it's all one and the same.

 We usually think that stars and planets simple have mass with no solid point to explain what mass or energy is, I'm thinking it's right but also incomplete, misunderstood.

 Light occurrence as the cause and consequence of itself, it doesn't speed up as a thing, it's but interference pattern, so it's limits would not apply to mater, necessarily.
 Still the mass/acceleration it's correct E=mc2
 But not as a limit of "speed", so I don't see why something "CAN'T" move faster than the light at all.
 It's light that's limited by its own phenomenon, doesn't imply that solid matter can't move faster than light, as a speed that matches or even surpassed the light limit.

 The only problem is that the light phenomenon due it's limit wouldn't be able to catch up with the object, which is now away from time influence "at all" also relative to its own frame the energy it's zero.

 Light desapears at the event horizon for it can't reach the collapsed star.

 Not really sure it's due mass, mass it's related, but I think it occurs at the moment by any means mater gets faster than C as a speed. Light occurrence couldn't catch up and it, collapsed on itself, as all the universe one day seems it will too.
 The only special thing is that it's backwards "space is still there, surrounding it.

 The BH collapsed star is trapped by itself on the amount of light it's producing, so much that its own gravity it's being countered by the space already present and it is traping it on itself.

 If, space wasn't there, the light would be of such intensity that would recreate the same describled above, and perhaps it does.

 If light occurrence created empty volume and stores it as time "in time", BH are not only consuming they are creating, the are the white holes, but instead of gushing matter or light, the leak volume/space.

 Need to think more about it.
 But feel free to join as the main purpose of this is to suggest and ask in order to elaborate it better or exclude it at some point.

 Light causes space, which is stored as time and gravity is a byproduct.

"In theory" 😆

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

Sort as if black holes are big bangs, but this "time" they are trapped "in time", because time it's/was already there, storing it on its own frame of reference.
 As if a "second time" its forbidden to exist by the laws of our universe.
 Only able to exist in a very distant future as they might become stronger and multiple big bang events might occur, at once, starting from the past till it reaches the future, as all the stars have died out and space-time and general gravity is no more.

 Which leads to consider if true that black holes are white holes upsidedown, and that light creates space, time and gravity, could be the case that each black holes generates a new pocket universe using the trapped matter, converting it into light, producing its own space-time and also matter using the matter it gathers.
 From a single point "that being the neutron star falling towards its own center towards infinity, and everything within it falls towards it on a spiral pattern, eventually creating multiple other BH which would do the same over and over again.

 If true that light occurrence produces the inflation and the very thing it inflates, stars would be the creators, BH would be the eraser and also the creator simultaneously.

[Origin]

Light causes gravity

There is plenty of observational and experimental evidence that shows your idea is not correct.

And it all would start from the assumption that photons recieves their mass one plank distance behind their present frame, and such would be mass is quantified, allocated but since it can't be stored remains null.

That makes no sense.  I think you need to rephrase that.

When the temporal warp light causes trough out it's whole trajectory of billions of years, start to colide with mater, it than start to "push" the object, and the binding is up to electromagnetic forces.
 It doesn't literally pushes or pulls anything, rather the object recieves the whole temporal path of light, and it grants it the ability to move.

I'm going to have to stop at this point because none of this makes sense.  It sounds like a bunch of science terms just randomly thrown together.  Sorry.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

Make sense

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

Anyone else could explain how light occurrence could not be the creator of space, time and gravity?

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

And it all would start from the assumption that photons recieves their mass one plank distance behind their present frame, and such would be mass is quantified, allocated but since it can't be stored remains null.Y
That makes no sense.  I think you need to rephrase that.

 I mean, if I as an object do have mass.
 But if I start, by any means to move at the speed of light", my mass would be no longer granted on that frame, but the volume would have been allocated anyway for I was there.
 The probability would start to Chase me on a straight line to where I'm present now, that being on the next frame... As per frame consider a plank or one meter on any direction if that makes simpler.
 I should be quantified at A, but now I'm at B, i start to followed by my own volume given my potential mass, this repeating itself at every single frame.
  The push should be strong, requiring an absurd amount of energy to do that, nearly impossible to be accomplished.
  But if I consider "time", the only force I'll feel would be my equivalent mass, no need for speed or propulsion.
 TIME will push me endlessly on my path, and each single frame will follow me.
 Even after I've arrived at a planet, my "light years" / trough time will keep coming towards me, therefore it will also be coming towards the planet I stand on.

 If I traveled for 10 billion years, me being light, and I did that in all possible directions, all my 10 billion light years of traveling "will still" be coming after me and the planet for another 10 billion years.

 Do not matter if some other planet or cloud got in the path, it will interact with that planet and will still remain coming from my past towards me.

 I've never accelerated not a single time, i don't have engines, my geometrical configuration creates mass for I'm just interference, a lesser copy of another particle, created by quantum mechanics to not to break, I'm a particle, and I'm not a particle.
  I'm a wave for space cause I'm space, I'm a particle for I hold the same structure of the particle that emitted me.
 But "I can't store my own mass"
 I'm just a recipe for a particle.
 I do have mass, I receive mass, but once my mass is quantified I'm no longer there.

 I can't break the laws.
I must exist and I'm here.

 I've inadvertently create time, and in time the impossibility can be sustained, I'm not 100% something successful, rather I'm always at 99.9999...% my own probably into be.
 I'm occuring, volume is allocated for my existence, but as suggested I'm not there anymore.

 Billions over billions of years of my occurrence pushed everything far and far away from A to B, for I created time, space, and my existence it's also the source of gravity.

 I'm not bending near mass, my path it's redirected, at each plank my straight line is quantified and changed, so no matter though what's or how big is my curvature, I'll "not retake my original path", instead my past will forcefully adopt another me to continue on that "fork" as I'm going elsewhere... and yet we are still linked to one another, we can't exist at the same time so we are granted different states so we can coexist as one.

It's more an intuitive experiment, rather than a logical one.
 I'm no astronomer or scientist reading and mixing things.
 It's just emotional inteligente considering all the possibilities, and somewhat "light" occured as an intuitive answer.

 People are looking for static ways to bind all things.
 I suggest that all there is it's coming from "an impossible attempt" updated from one frame to another only possible because light inadvertently created Time.
 Time is the reason why information can be stored, space is the reason why time exists, and gravity it's the cause and consequence of these two, light occurrence being the source and keeper of it all.
 Sure removing light won't "destroy space" that is already there, regardless.
 But "in time" if light is the source, the past will come rushing towards the future and colapse.
 If gravity only exists "as long as I'm chasing me towards infinity", when I'm not present anymore, time will be erased as fast as C, coming from the past towards the future.
 Like an elastic band, that would always take twice the time I've occured.
 If there's no light there will be no reason for time, without time space will be also erased, and everything will fall back towards itself.
 Something like that, even though space it's already there "this is in the present", if light in the past is over, so will be the source of it.
 Stars also account as source, so as long light is occurring space will continue to inflate.
 That's the "though" anyway.

 I'll take some time to elaborate it better, as english is not my mother language.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

I think you are using the wrong word.  'Warp' means bend.

I deliberately meant warp, for light.

Despite the word used, mass deforms what was otherwise Euclidean spacetime into something not Euclidean.
If you mean something else by 'warp', you need to be a lot more specific.

Bending if it would have a center of mass, but assuming that the mass attributed to the photons are "null" and the allocated volume occurs "behind/past" frame, the bending acts as a warp engine.

This doesn't help. Any attempt to glean meaning from this seems to be a reference to Star Trek or something, a fertile source of occasional physics word salad.

All that produced and sustained by the light phenomenon.

Most of the physics we know, including how mass deforms spacetime, how force and acceleration work, etc. all would work the same even in the absence of EM radiation, the absence of which would at best affect how/if magnetism works.

I don't think particle or relativity or even quantum mechanics to be wrong as they can explain most of anything.

This makes it sound like there's something called the theory of particle.

Light causes gravity, caused space and sustains time.

Light would be meaningless in the absence of space already there.

Turn off the lights everywhere you'll turn off gravity

This is what I was talking about. No, gravity is unrelated to light. Magnetism maybe, but not gravity.

A lot of assumptions, but it somewhat "feels" right.

It's been a long time since physics has had anything to do with what 'feels' right or wrong. Certainly ditching that methodology contributed heavily to getting us out of the dark ages.

 Thanks I'll be learning from it

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

I kind understanding you understood, due my bad wording, that I'm referring to the light as in the photons are the gravity, make sense.
 The picture it's not that, the mass of the photon creates a ever coming wave like flow, a geometrical puzzle that comes and lasts all the "time" it occured.
 I don't mean that the photons are gravity.
 Im wondering that the light occurrence caused space, and time came out as the only option as to not to break the laws, when that happened, gravity is created.

 On a very crude, yet to be better explained example:

 Gravity is the weak "although constant" punch of time that each photon inadvertently causes as it it's "moving(being moved by its own mass one frame in the past, the mass it's bending space "which was created behind the photon on the straight line, it's what I mean with the photon do not move at C, space it's warping the particle using its own mass) trough itself, through space/time".

 Sure light is apparently meaningless on a spacetime that was already there.
 I'm suggesting that the bigbang object emitted an absurd amount of light, that occurrence created the space in which the bigbang took place, I'm what it took place over, because of me that being light.
 And now stars are doing just the same, inflating it...

 There was linear time 2D one, it still exists now.

 Need to think a bit more first this one took five years or so.
 I don't do math only thought experiments, the sharing it's for those who do to consider, once considered it can be discarded or not.

 I'll try to postulate it better in a few days

 Ps.: I know I used the word Punch 👊🤣 up there, as a river flowing would not be as narrow as required to picture it, perhaps a string punch would be better to mind it.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

I'm suggesting that the bigbang object emitted an absurd amount of light

It is a mistake to consider the big bang to be an object, which implies something that is created at a time and location. It happened literally everywhere (so no location), and there was no light at first. That came later, and even then, most of it got nowhere before hitting something and being reabsorbed. It took nearly 400000 years before the universe became transparent and the light generated then could be detected now.

 Correct, unless you consider that a black hole is a white hole.
 In such way the material the BHs capture is converted into an absurd amount of light, Wich can't go backwards "back to its past"(here) and such light it's creating more space, or a new space.
 Perhaps the singularity falls into a wormhole of it's own doing, creating space and time as it fell, and such hole starts to unfold itself into a flat configuration, and be ones space, the sane past as we see here, perhaps same rules, but a different future given it's always based on probability.
 A new universe inside the black hole.
 Its own time, its own materials.

 For any intelligence inside that universe, would have the same conclusion you had.

 All depends on the idea that the flow of light is what creates space and time, and the source of gravity it's the name of the act of creation.
 Gravity being not a force, but a name given to describe an effect caused by light traveling trough the space and time its own occurrence created.
 Only possible "in time" as a way to store and sustain its own expansion, that's why time in the first place, otherwise it would be a single thing.

 Still need to think about it.

 It also states, suggests, our universe it's not the original form or the first interpretation of the bigbang.
 We would fight for it as much we did with the earth been the center, the milky way being the whole universe, until we learned it was not.

 If true we might never know what it originally was.
 Unless the speed of light it's not a limit for stable elements, then we stand a chance to look it from a new perspective.
 Because light wouldn't be a speed limit but only an occurency/rate limit for light.
 It would suggest that it's light that's traped by its own predictable mass as space bends and warps it at C.
 Maybe something "bigger" with the properties of light or a field with the properties, would warp space even further without an issue or paradoxes.
 Only if: Speed of light it's a limit speed for anything related with space structure.
 Nothing will forbid an unrelated object to move at a proportional warp of it's own for it's not related or bound to the structure only to itself.
 Invisible seems more like it.
 Messing with time? Not sure at all.

 At the same time we could be the original universe, not in as a state on the plane, but in some higher dimensional plane that dumped our mater here.

 It all depends, for this though, if light occurency can and is creating space/time and gravity as it travels, because it travels.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

I'm suggesting that the bigbang object emitted an absurd amount of light

It is a mistake to consider the big bang to be an object, which implies something that is created at a time and location. It happened literally everywhere (so no location), and there was no light at first. That came later, and even then, most of it got nowhere before hitting something and being reabsorbed. It took nearly 400000 years before the universe became transparent and the light generated then could be detected now.

 And I'm suggesting that all those years that light was warped through bending space(of it's own doing behind of it's trajectory creating time, it's the source of what we call gravity.
 And that the same act is what created the space/(X)time, where(past) bigbang takes over, therefore becoming "when" big bang took over(future)
 But for that to be even possible, bigbang must be a white hole connected/the same black hole "elsewhere" at the same time.
 And all the mater it sucked in was converted into light, and that light occurrence previously or simultaneously created the space/time as the singularity eventually exploded, on the other side.
 Since our time stops at the event horizon, the bigbang is a supernova on the other side and all the matter that is the one the black hole sucked in trough out their path.
 Since time stoped, the intelligence on this new universe would conclude that there was nothing, and suddenly was everything.

 Also implies that "the other side" it's a new universe of it's own doing, which started with a supernova, that became a black hole, that fell into a wormhole towards infinity, since horizon frozen time it's stored at its own frame, no need for time for light can't reach the singularity falling, the act of chasing it it's the wormhole/black hole.
 When the black hole here ends it's life, the bridge it's closed.
 And all that was stored inside this infinite tunneling it's able to "reach" the singularity.
 At that instant big bang occurs.
 The suggestion it's that black holes store their matter and light inside a wormhole.
 Since time stops there's virtually no limit of storage, also since light can't reach it there, there's no past nor future.
 By the time the black hole here it's over, the bridge it's closed and space it's no longer available, it explodes.

 Light and mater that were gathered had being previously formed (here) so the instructions are already there, a bit different but still, possible I think.

 So "where" the big bang/white hole occurs?
 In what region of "our universe it connects itself to?"
It doesn't.
 It's an universe of it's own.

 Wherever it's "before space"?
 No idea at all... Nothing can't be true forever, but also nothing it's true for it's a creation of it's own, even if that mater came from elsewhere, it's still true: Nothing before because it didn't existed "there".
 Only that the tunneling don't seems to lead to "where" but "when".
 If all black holes are connected to that "when"?
 Not a clue, but seems possible.

 If nobody can't see in nor visualize the BigBang, one must think for it, best way to do that was "being the light", and one thing connected one another.

 Subjective is a possibility.
 Still, the light occurrence creating space and time by allocation space for mass which is never present outside the past, as being gravity? Seems compatible.

 Gravity being the everflowing wave like probability of the mass of the light, chasing it, forcing it to warp by bending volume of it's own creation, piling up it's potential mass(through time) because it created time because by law it must, therefore space/light/time/gravity are forever interwined as cause and consequence of light occurrence.
 The most powerful "force" in the universe if one was to remove time from the equation and compile all of the billion light years into a single frame at 100% which will say that that amount of energy doesn't even exist.
 As that is true, forced by law, time it's created intrincated to space as an answer for sustaining the paradox, avoiding it, by forever getting everything to up to 99.99999..% it's potential, then using time as a reset button so it can forever persist on an impossibility that must be, but cannot be... Maybe it's why backwards nothing, related with the structure, can surpass the speed of light, because it's not a speed it's a quantification rate limit for time on a straight line.
 That wouldn't necessarily forbid anything to go beyond using propulsion or any other means that bends space to achieve a warp.
 Such object may indeed desapear but that without breaking any law.
 For speed it's not the same as rate, the same the tic tac of a clock from one moment to another it's not a speed, it's a rare 0/1/0/1/0/1... Speed it's of the pointer itself that would not be restricted by the same rules the mechanism might be.
 A pointer that arrives to 1 "faster" than the rate o the clock means nothing, if it's not attached to it.
 Only if one is considering traveling trough time, which for us, dimensional beings and objects it's physically moving from A to B on a map.
 The road will never forbid us to get there.
 The B will not be older or younger it will be precisely as the prediction of it's distance in time and composition said it would be.
 Absence of limit remove such limitations and makes the universe free to exploration.
 While it's true, light can't do that by its own.
 The amount of energy required to warp space would be unavailable, that because one it's not using time as a factor.
 If light it's a warp result of it's own mass, any object would warp space proportional to its own potential mass.
 All it would take is to figure out "how" light is doing what it triggers.
 Most likely geometry.

 Only if all that holds.

 Instead the photons got really small, and their potential mass/energy stored/divided "in time", as result gravity is "weak" as a "force" if measured on a single moment.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

I wrote in Portuguese but luckily the translator did alrighty.
 I'll reexplain it after lunch.
 I meant the black hole is the white hole "in the future".
 And that the white hole doesn't "last or behave like black holes", white hole/bigbang being a supernova at the end of time.
 That when gravity has run its course as all light ceased the black hole will be able to expland, that temporary ateliê will no longer be trapped in there, general relativity will not forbid it anymore, most importantly all the light and that endless space it's creating and storing inside the wormhole of it's own doing will be "the first thing" to be expanded for it's around it all together will be all the matter as well creating another bigbang.
 Which for us "has already happened" at the moment the supernova exploded and the black hole occured, all the light captured and emitef by it it's trapped inside its own gravity, the light it's emiting inside the event horizon it's also responsável for creating the wormhole and the "wormhole" in "when" it exists, stored outside of out time.
 A frozen seed just waiting our spacetime to end for it to cause another BigBang.
  Of course any inteligente on that new space time looking back wouldn't know that the big bang was an object, because it was a white hole stored inside of wormhole it's of it's own doing.
 If light occurrence it's what creates spacetime and gravity it's a physical representation of it, the quasars would maybe be evidence that the light inside the black hole it's far different than the one we have here.
 Perhaps when some external force as a gas cloud forces the black hole to change it's geometry and becomes more flat, the light it's able to come out of it trough the tunneling, just assume that all the light emitted by the singularity can't scape because of the horizon.
 It's not impossible that the light coming out of a quasar it's not necessarily the one of the gas cloud but the compression of it's sphere may allow light to escape and that light of the BH/WH may come out far beyond the speed of light we know here.

I think I understood what gave rise to space, time and what gravity is.
  The occurrence of light.
 Every photon, due to geometric configuration, receives mass but this mass has its volume allocated in the past.
 A probabilistic geometry is created when the photon exists, mass is assigned, volume is allocated.
 Intricate reason for presenting itself as a wave and particle, the wave is the effect its mass causes by doubling Euclidean space.
 But when mass should occur, photon is no longer present in that frame.
 Photon moved a plank in a straight line.
 Mass is attributed as "null" for this impossibility that would break the laws, the answer arose simultaneously in the form of "time".
 A way to "enjoy / preserve" that the photon mass may exist.
 It is not detectable over time.
 The "geometric / mathematical" allocation for "where" the photon "is" has occurred and cannot be erased.
 But the photon is no longer there.
 Therefore, the geometric allocation for its mass remains "null".
 This is against the laws.
 So "time" as a way of storing information.
 The occurrence of light is what produced space and time.
Impossible the photon could not "travel" him from the space to do that!!!
 "Perhaps not", since the phenomenon occurred in the past of the current position of the photon that is in the present.
 If the phenomenon occurs, in the absence of a better word "behind" the photon he would not need NOTHING in front of him to create space.
 Since Euclidean space 2D has no "direction as front or back" this would be impossible to quantify.
 For this reason I suggested that "time" was forced to exist next to space as one thing.
 Instead of behind, or in front, the phenomenon starts to occur not behind the photon in a straight line but "in his past" allowing the occurrence.

 It then suggests that each photon does not travel through space, it travels "by itself" by its own occurrence.
  This geometric volume that creates time space continues to occur, giving space the illusion of expansion or inflation, when possibly in fact it is the quantity "here in the present" of stars increasing "but not homogeneous" that intensifies the production of Light and it is the "time" that increases in unity.
 That way away from A of B.

 It is rudimentary but has some foundation.
  In turn, gravity is nothing more than the act of light creating space and time.
 Gravity being weak because it equals the potential mass of the photon "in a single plank (jump)".
 THEREFORE this phenomenon is as continuous as a stream of a river.
 If light traveled 10 billion years to reach the moment when "a Photon" collided with an object.
 "The total past of the potential mass of this photon p followed" through time "and (now / present) accumulates on that object.
 So gravity would be caused by the occurrence of the light that "now" finds the object and despite being very weak "in a single frame" it brings with it "from its past", in the example, 10 billion years of this phenomenon.

 The stars do the same and everything that emits light.
  The union and attraction of matter being in charge of the electromagnetic forces of matter.
 However "gravity" is what, when finding the object "in time" attracts to it the "potential mass that would be for photon / light" who pursued through the time she created herself.

 Gravity and intricate space-time as a single thing derived, supported and made possible by the occurrence of Light.

 When finding matter in this trajectory, it attributes matter to the geometric properties of what originated it, "assigning" it to this object not push or pull, but attributes the "potential" to be quantified and move through space time, as if it were the Light itself.

 In my view, it does not break special relativity or quantum mechanics, since dirt only "changes" the concept of light in one detail:

Light does not travel to C through space.
 The light remains relative to 0 in the frame itself that exists.
 As its mass its geometry cannot be "stored in itself" as matter does.
 This impossibility causes the photon to receive mass "as fast as it loses", repeating this process with each jump.

 Impossible! If each photon had mass it could not move to C and would break all laws.

 YES, and no.

 Yes if you are not considering "the weather".
 Time is what allows suggestion, it comes in as a way to divide the potential mass of photon, "in time".

 Suggesting that C was never a "speed as in acceleration", but C would be a rate (maximum framerate) at which the photon can be erased and recreated with each plank.
  The potential mass of the photon "expanding volume / space in time, in its" past".
 This deformation of space causes what is meant by "warp".

 Where the volume behind the photon expands due to its potential mass / energy, as it loses it, the deformation causes the photon to be "loaded / run" at the maximum speed "of framerate" where it can be quantified before disappearing, this being C.

 Gravity then being, in a rude example:
 All distance from A to B that the photon traveled over Euclidean space, coming after him through time.
  If this "photon" got stuck on a planet, that planet will receive every moment of the past from all trajectory of that photon.

 As this occurs in all directions, since the future is always "probabilistic" it acts in all directions.

 Space says how matter should move, this coming directly from the binary instruction present in the light that originated it.
 It has some openings.

 But it suggests that each black hole is a creator of its own universes outside our time.
 Because it would suggest that when the star falls it creates a wormhole of itself, and continues to fall to infinity.
 All matter that falls on the horizon is broken and the light is deflected inward.
 As time stops on the horizon, no matter how much matter or the time outside it, an infinite capacity to store and light.

 So, as time stopped, "when" it stopped, it doesn't matter if here for us the black hole continues to suck matter but the other universe does not detect it being added.

 At that moment when the time for the bigbang there has already occurred at the same time that it did not occur.
 "That" bigbang for an intelligence in that universe, formed "here then" by the amount of absurd light that surrounded the star trapped in the burraco de mi hoca out of time, is what was initially used to pave the space of that universe, inevitably and simultaneously creating time there.

 "There" is not a new place but "when" in the future.

 The bigbang "in that future, it occurred instantly there with all the black hole material collected here" even though the collection took billions of years here".
 At the moment that the supernova "exploited here", due to the time having stopped, "there in that period of time" the bigbang occurred with all the matter that the black hole had already sucked and would still collect for billions of years "here".

 Don't get it wrong, E = mc2 remains to some extent.

 The photon itself is not gravity.
 The photon itself is not space.
 Pothom itself is not time.

 The occurrence of photon is what allocates volume to its potential mass, as this cannot be stored in the photon due to its geometry, time is simultaneously creating next to space as a way to avoid impossibility.
  Dark energy being the mass of all photons and this can only be found "at all times" already elapsed.
 The allocated volume cannot be erased because it is represented as what we call "time", and the properties we know and the effects on matter remain the same.

 Gravity is a by-product effect of this occurrence.
 It is weak as each single photon isolated, but it as well as space exists in coordination over time.

 Black hole would be where Euclidean space collides with dimensional space to the extreme.
 Relativity finds quantum mechanics.

 The singularity cannot move to C as a bending effect, yet it does but in its own worm burr, outside that time.
 This is because it cannot move in a straight line like light, because its mass has a center, it then rotates above the C rate of light, in this case yes a speed C.

 In doing so, light, space-time, can no longer reach the singularity because there is no "space-time" between that time and the interior.

 But all the matter and light it captures oribates and accumulates around the star.
 This occurs outside of our time.
 There, in the future, even during the super nova here, the bigbang there has already occurred when we see a black burr here.

 All captured matter, and even that not yet captured, already instantly exploded and generated its own universe at that time.
 It is possible because everything stored in the worm burr that she created is "out of time".
 So that universe started together at the moment when the supernova occurs here.

 This reexplained if someone claims that the bigbang started from a single point of infinite mass, so it could not be had a "object" cono because there was still no "time, gravity or space".
 Infinite would not be the case, but the rest remains.

  That is why it enters intricate, that that space and even this space is possible due to the infinite amount of light, space and time "own inside the black hole" that having light inside it creates "for him", temporarily creates.
 It would be this amount of photons orbiting around the singularity that "prepares and also generates the gravity needed to maintain it"

 When "at that time" the explosion occurs, all that space and time / volume is expanded first in that single instant.
 And together and in sequence comes the matter / soup that permeates that new universe in that new space-time.

 For any intelligence in that universe observing the past, it would inevitably conclude that the universe did not exist and in a flash of the moment it came into existence, therefore it could not have come from another location as it cannot be an object.

 Correct, and wrong, if you consider that it is the occurrence of light that produces space-time and causes gravity as a by-product due to both.

 Because, it remains understood that the light captured, emitted and rotating around the singularity is what creates a temporary space-time studio of its own, a wormhole, this acts as a bridge that "virtually / temporally" allows some information to leave the black hole to that side, in the form of radiation, that same temporary space with a light far above C because it has its own rules is also the bridge that allows the matter from here to the singularity.

This temporary studio is out of both times, this as much as the new universe, so it cannot communicate with either of the universes, nor this one, nor what he created, not until "here" ends everything and the bridge can no longer be supported, so there, in that future, all that space of its own time is "the first THING" which is "expanded / created" at the moment when the singularity in the center explodes "because it is already possible " since HERE space no longer has gravity and soon all time disappears like geometry.
 Gravity went its way, the light is over, the past came like a rubber band against the other end, the future here and made it possible for this whole temporary studio to expand.
 This in all black donkeys distributed over our time space. That no longer exists because there is no more light, and all the time is over, with that also the space intricate to him.

 Gravity is not even relevant in this future, but the absence of light "in the past of our big bang" erased "the space time because there is no more emission of Light.

 "In theory" 😎

[Origin]

@Alex Dullius Siqueira, your entire post in pseudoscience.  The ideas presented do not match observation or experimentation, so your ideas are wrong.

[paul cotter]

...sigh...

[Alex Dullius Siqueira (OP)]

 Just found this and seems very similar (picture), except it doesn't use the light occurrence part to try to explain spacetime/gravity.
 Is this mainstream source correct about it's assumptions?

 Black holes are white holes simultaneously not where, but as suggested "when".
 That being inside their own bubble, split from both universes ours, and its own simultaneously.
 Only becoming BigBang in the future, but simultaneously that happened at the same time it's a black hole here, for both horizons don't let time flow from here to there, instead  it's aside from our time by the BH horizon where time stopped.
  Understand that I'm using light emissions of the singularity to create its own space time inside the wormhole, light being the pen that drawns spacetime in the first place as it occurs/moves.
 The WH light ejection, while the BH is stable can't cross the horizon and keeps returning back to its own singularity, like a vortex of light around the singularity which drawn the walls(space-time) as it occurs.
 Creating a very dense space and basically no time.
 Still, perhaps, when the BH perfect spherical shape is Disturbed, squished by our gravity it might become unstable in there, the WH, and part of what was supposed to be for it's BigBang in the future is able to momentarily escape, picturing what a quasar might be.

 On that instant BH and white hole become one and the same for a brief moment, as I the exesive matter served as a temporary bridge to connect our spacetime to that bubble.

 Need to find if someone has ever wasted time Wondering if relativity breaking/adjusting point it's the misunderstanding of not what light is, but what it actually does.

 That's what I meant as "warp effect" up there.
 Gain mass as fast as it losses, by casualty the loss of mass because the photon can't offer a center to it, forces it to bend space time for the volume that was allocated to it, "there", since it would not be possible, time emerges simultaneously and converts the "where it should be" into "when it should have being".
 The mass and potential energy never being able to find a vencer, becomes what I said as "null", the endless repetition of this would be what we call space-time, and gravity it's the flowing of this occured trough time itself.

 If not totally impossible, all the big bang misses it's that the absurd amount of light that the black hole capture and the singularity emited firat pavimented space-time, which resulted into gravity, and that gravity turned the singularity into another super nova "there". There here being "when", our very distant future.
 Still for those in there would have the same conclusion about what was the big bang.

A BigBang cenário where first the surrounding light of the singularity created, expanded it's spacetime created inside that wormhole/bubble, followed by all the mater soup the singularity had to reform mater.
 So the thought is that the first light, that was possible for it came from ours old one, pavimented the creating of the field in wish the singularity exploded "there in the future".
 For a period the universe could not recreate the same photons that pavimented it's space-time and gravity was the same.
 Though after the universe being able to form stars and it was no longer too hot, or ideal, it starts to reemit light and start to expand time, increasing itself and gravity is still the same, but the formation of stars also start to recreate dimensional space.

 Basically a repetition of what we experience here.

 Or not... Just checking how light occurrence could not be the creator of space time based on its own occurrence and gravity the byproduct of the two.

 I guess I'm kind of suggesting, light creates a wormhole effect, that unfolds itself flat as the photon move by an effect themselves created.
 Like the BH wormhole but lasting forever "on its frame" but absence in its past, the wave of such "warping effect" coming towards the future would maybe be gravity.
 Getting weaker as everything gets smaller and also expanding as an illusion as the occurrence would also "add" time from A to B.

 All because it's using its own mass that doesn't have a center, so photon bends space by its own occurrence, which leads to time, which results in gravity.

 Not really sure where this picture is going.
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"Photon is the tip of the pen that draws its own paper(space) because it keeps drawing that's (time).
 (Light) is the act of drawing and the drawed is (gravity)."
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Gravity is the byproduct of the light occurrence in time of it's own creation in it's past while moving towards the future.
 No space while light isn't occuring therefore no time.
 No time implies no gravity.

 Explode the singularity, the first light generated inside the ateliê of the BH(now), will spread without time or gravity.
 Creating both (in the past of it's own occurrence) as it occurs.

Gravity lasting as ling as the occurrence of light is still occuring, no matter if after BigBang horizon "in time" or at our sun, mechanism is the same.
 Absence of light won't remove gravity, but it will set the end of the beginning of time, once time is no longer available "at the beginning A" gravity will not occur anymore (there), once this is true there will be no need to sustain time at all, and A will slingshot as fast as the eraser of time occurs towards the future.
 Once there, when time stoped, the black hole we see now it's free to explode, unfolding all tge infinite space it has created inside its wormhole.
 Only catch is that that event "there on their future" has already took place simultaneously with the supernova here, regardless of how many billion years have passed here from our observation.
 In there the same process will repeat over and over again.
 Not new universes as "new places" over nothing, rather new universes here only "when here"... As for now, bigbangs are black holes.

 Light occurrence creates euclidian space and time, singularities and inner cores create dimensional space as they "fall" trough euclidian space.

 The spiraling path of systems might be as well the worming hole effect just not as extreme.

The ability for objects to move trough euclidian space is attributed by time, though the gravitational "illusion" is the byproduct of space being chasing the sun as it did with the photons in the early universe.

 Photons could not exist because it was.......(X)
 Space had being already created inside the horizon for billions of years in a wormhole caused by the singularity acting as a massive photon, since it has a center it van store it's mass, so instead of flat space it creates a dimensional tunneling effect as it falls.
  As the singularity keeps "falling there/the past of the BH/here"
 Time flips at the singularity, and where, the BH event ends "here/the future" it is able to gush out all the mater stored in the wormhole now, being it.
 Since there's space in the wormhole but there's no light occuring over that space, there's virtually no time and obviously no gravity.

 If there's no gravity the singularity can't keep existing.
 Yes that's why BH in the past are the WH in the future.

 The speed the quasar gushes out light should be way faster than the speed of light "here".
 We would need to testify a quasar event in full details to make certain.
 If the speed of the light beans surpasses the one of the speed of light, the ejected material it's also using a space of it's own, the one of the black hole itself.

 If there's space there, the singularity was already producing an infinite amount of space there, just waiting our spacetime to end, in the future.

Im trying to "picture" the cosmological constant/dark energy as the temporal mass of the photon at a Planck time distance, and reason why it can't be seen from observing inside time in the macro scale.
 Only observed effects over long periods of time looking to the past.

 I'm trying to tweak C as a framerate rather than a cosmological limit.
 Since "gravity" can only occur when light is occurring "over spacetime", simultaneously as light on its pass is what's still creating space-time.
 Photon creates space time by occurrence, on a second pass photon creates the light effect over a space of it's own creation.
 One thing, two different effects simultaneously.
 The first pass it's not limited by geometry or laws as it occurs inside out, the second pass it's submitted by the cosmological limit which is now created by the first pass, resulting in gravity as it does.

 Gravity it's not "instantaneously coodepent" with the occurrence of light on its own frame of reference, but it's related at all frames of reference pasts frames.
 Reason why gravity will keep occuring even in the absence of light on a certain system.
 Only that general gravity will still taking place, that being the sum of all of the paths the photon has ever traveled trough time.
 No matter if BigBang light or near star light occurrence, only matters it's time/distance.

 As it's constant as long as there's a source of light being emited from the past in any direction, which is all of possible directions since gravity can occurs at all directions, it's space, the constant will remain.
 Only fails where/if all sources of light have ended, so time has to end as well and space too.
 I'm trying to consider that that's what horizon truly is, a split between two universes.
 If light would sustain it all, there would be no gravity able to stain the black hole colapse and it would evaporate quickly or expand.
 That if disconsidering that the light emitted by the singularity creates "there again" the same process above, acting as a white hole.
 Light can't scape "only the event horizon" nothing says the light can't be emited by the singularity or even mater there to have some freedoms.
  Since time stoped at the horizon.
 The gravity on this side would not to be as important than the one of the singularity itself.
 Sitll, normally one spacetime would be able to interact with one another outside a quasar or BigBang event.

 Would be the case that not light that can't escape the event horizon, only that it can't reform space-time there, still gravity would still connecting and opositing them both in equilibrium from both sides.
  Light can't occurs backwards in time, but gravity can overflow from both directions.

 As if the horizon was acting as a null place between both universes.
There's still time there, but is so stretched and fast that doesn't really matters.
 Nothing can exist inside that time as a thing.
 So it would be equally stretched and stored in there.
 Can go in, can't get out "until the BH event now, holding the white holes event in the future becomes a BigBang expands.

 If there's another me on an earth in there it's not aware that I'm watching the back side of it's BigBang horizon, it's past.
 
Dark matter resides in time past, dark energy in space present.
Space and time combined on a single frame to attribute energy/mass to matter, in time.

 Something like that...

 Never to use translators ever again 🙄
 Portuguese has a different rule for genders and periods.
 A lot more contextual language, I'll fix it latter.