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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #120 on: 19/05/2024 22:22:55 »
And the negative side.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28-17%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281%2B17%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-30+to+30

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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28-1%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281%2B1%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-30+to+30

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Zoomed in:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28-0.1%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281%2B0.1%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-3+to+3
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #121 on: 19/05/2024 22:36:46 »
These are when the numerator isn't symmetrical to the denominator about the critical line.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.1%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.2%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-3+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.3%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.2%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-3+to+30

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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.5%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.499%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-3+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.49%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.499%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-3+to+30

They reveal the non-trivial zeros of Riemann Zeta function.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #122 on: 20/05/2024 21:54:30 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/05/2024 06:22:53
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/05/2024 05:14:38
We get a nice full wave when the imaginary part is exactly 2*pi
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

The same curve looks like an inflection when zoomed out.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-10+to+11

A more accurate inflection curve has a slightly bigger imaginary number.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.002117+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.002117+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0.495+to+0.505
It turns out that there's another significant point that describes the so called backslash function.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+1.996+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1.996+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1
Here, the turning points of the backslash function are right at the edges of the critical strip. It occurs when im(s) is around 1.996 pi.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+1.996+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1.996+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-1+to+2
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #123 on: 20/05/2024 22:27:34 »
Due to the shape around the narrow transition strip between 1.996 pi i and 2.002117 pi i, this function can be called S function.
Let's give the names for the edges of transition strip of S function.
α is a positive number such that the curve S(x + (2-α) pi i ) crosses the edges of the critical strip at its turning points. Its value is around 0.004
β is a positive number such that the curve S(x + (2+β) pi i ) crosses the real line at its inflection point. Its value is around 0.002117
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #124 on: 20/05/2024 23:03:53 »
Below the transition strip, ie 0 < im(s) < (2-α) pi i, S function in the critical strip has a positive slope.
Above the transition strip, ie (2+β) pi i, < im(s) < ∞ i, S function in the critical strip has a negative slope.
At the intersection between the transition strip and the critical strip, it has both positive and negative slope.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #125 on: 21/05/2024 00:54:24 »
For negative imaginary part, the situation is just the same as the positive counter part.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x-+1.996+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x-+1.996+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #126 on: 21/05/2024 04:32:31 »
Let's observe how S function progresses from 2 pi i down to 0.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B++pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B++pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+1%2F2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1%2F2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+1%2F6+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1%2F6+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+1%2F60+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1%2F60+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

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When the imaginary part is not omitted:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+0.0+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+0.0+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

At high value of x the program seem to exceed its operability range.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+0.0+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+0.0+i%29%29%29%29from+-50+to+51
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #127 on: 21/05/2024 05:01:56 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/05/2024 09:57:19
Exploration of backslash function (aka S function) around its inflection point can be exciting in its own right, but does not have much effect on the determination of Riemann hypothesis, which for now has narrowed down to critical strip with extremely high imaginary part.
The behavior of S function around its inflection point reminds me of Riemann sphere.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere
In mathematics, the Riemann sphere, named after Bernhard Riemann,[1] is a model of the extended complex plane (also called the closed complex plane): the complex plane plus one point at infinity. This extended plane represents the extended complex numbers, that is, the complex numbers plus a value ∞ for infinity. With the Riemann model, the point ∞ is near to very large numbers, just as the point 0 is near to very small numbers.


Here's an online simulator.
https://www.geogebra.org/m/gD7Rygd2
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #128 on: 21/05/2024 07:58:40 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/05/2024 04:32:31
Let's observe how S function progresses from 2 pi i down to 0.
Now let's observe the inverse.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%281-x%2B++pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%28x%2B++pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%281-x%2B+1%2F2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%28x%2B+1%2F2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%281-x%2B+1%2F6+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%28x%2B+1%2F6+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%281-x%2B+1%2F60+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%28x%2B+1%2F60+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-20+to+21

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #129 on: 21/05/2024 09:20:18 »
The symmetrical nature of S function and its inverse clearly shows that Riemann's Zeta function cannot have non-trivial zero outside of the critical line, especially outside the narrow transition strip. It implies that Riemann Hypothesis has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

Just like Pythagorean theorem, which has been proven in many ways (around 370 so far, according to Gemini), it's likely that Riemann Hypothesis will be proven in some different ways. But the first one is likely to be the most important.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #130 on: 22/05/2024 13:30:27 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 01:19:45
After watching a video about elliptic curve, I suspected that trivial zeros of Zeta function must somehow be related to non-trivial zeros. This video shows how they are related.
The video shows that non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function must somehow be correlated to its trivial zeros. I think it's worth exploring if other points on the critical line are also correlated to points on the real line through some sort of mapping or projection.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #131 on: 23/05/2024 07:00:36 »
Here's the plot of Zeta function on critical line. It doesn't obviously show the positions of non-trivial zeros.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot++%28zeta%281%2F2%2Bis%29%29+from+0+to+30

log of Zeta function shows them more clearly, but the zeros are projected to negative infinity.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log+%28zeta%281%2F2%2Bis%29%29+from+0+to+30

If we want to project the zeros to the real line, this abs function can be used instead.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+abs%28zeta%281%2F2%2Bis%29%29+%2B+arg%28zeta%281%2F2%2Bis%29%29i+from+0+to+30
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #132 on: 23/05/2024 22:35:41 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/05/2024 06:22:53
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/05/2024 05:14:38
We get a nice full wave when the imaginary part is exactly 2*pi
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

The same curve looks like an inflection when zoomed out.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-10+to+11

A more accurate inflection curve has a slightly bigger imaginary number.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.002117+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.002117+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0.495+to+0.505
For any extraordinary non-trivial zeta zero which would violate Riemann's Hypothesis, S function should yield zero for both the real and imaginary part. So now let's explore the imaginary part, from 2 pi i down to 0i.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B++pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+0.5+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B++0.5+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+0.1+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B++0.1+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im+%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+0.0+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B++0.0+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1
We can see a switch of slope from pi to pi/2.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #133 on: 23/05/2024 23:02:05 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/05/2024 22:35:41
We can see a switch of slope from pi to pi/2.
Let's find out where the precise location of the switching.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.441i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.441i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1
This is where we get a full wave in the critical strip.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #134 on: 23/05/2024 23:06:19 »
This is where we get the inflection point.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.475725i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.475725i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

Zoomed in,
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.475725i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.475725i%29%29%29%29from+0.48+to+0.52

Zoomed out,
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.475725i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.475725i%29%29%29%29from+-6+to+7
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #135 on: 24/05/2024 05:23:13 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/05/2024 05:14:38
We get a nice full wave when the imaginary part is exactly 2*pi

Showing the imaginary part in the same plot requires some attenuation by 3 orders of magnitude.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B2+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B2+pi+i%29%29%29%29+%2B+1%2F1000+im%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B2+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B2+pi+i%29%29%29%29i+from+0+to+1

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #136 on: 25/05/2024 07:44:04 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/05/2024 22:09:19
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

This  is a variation of backslash (aka S) function, but plotted against the imaginary part, instead of the real part of s.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.499%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.499+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-90+to+90

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.499%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.499+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-9+to+9

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.49999%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.49999+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+-9+to+9

Plotted symmetrically, it looks like the letter V. So, I'll just call it V function.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #137 on: 25/05/2024 08:10:12 »
Let's just focus on one side, due to its symmetrical shape.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.49%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.49+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+90000

Violation of Riemann's Hypothesis requires that at some point with high imaginary part, the output of V function mysteriously drops down to 0.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.499%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.499+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+90000

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.49999%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.49999+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+90000

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re+%28log%28%28zeta%280.49999%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.49999+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+900000

These plots show that the V function can maintain its shape despite the vast differences in the range.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #138 on: 25/05/2024 11:57:30 »
Now I have access to ChatGPT-4o, so I asked the same question.
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The Riemann Hypothesis (RH) is considered one of the most important and challenging problems in mathematics. It asserts that all non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function \(\zeta(s)\) lie on the critical line \(\Re(s) = \frac{1}{2}\). Several factors contribute to the difficulty of proving the Riemann Hypothesis:

1. **Complexity of the Zeta Function**:
   - The Riemann zeta function is a complex function defined in terms of an infinite series and product, which makes its behavior intricate and multifaceted.
   - Its deep connections to number theory, particularly to the distribution of prime numbers, add layers of complexity.

2. **Lack of Simple Analytical Tools**:
   - Traditional tools from analysis and complex function theory have not been sufficient to tackle the hypothesis.
   - Despite significant progress in understanding \(\zeta(s)\) and its zeros, the existing methods have not been able to definitively prove or disprove RH.

3. **Interconnectedness with Number Theory**:
   - The zeros of \(\zeta(s)\) are intricately linked to the distribution of prime numbers, encapsulated in the explicit formulae that relate zeros of \(\zeta(s)\) to the prime counting function \(\pi(x)\).
   - This interrelation means that proving RH would not only require deep insights into \(\zeta(s)\) but also a comprehensive understanding of the distribution of primes.

4. **No Obvious Contradictions or Counterexamples**:
   - Extensive numerical verification supports the hypothesis; all known non-trivial zeros (over 10 trillion) lie on the critical line.
   - There are no known contradictions within the established mathematical framework that suggest RH could be false, making it difficult to approach through disproval.

5. **Analytic and Geometric Complexity**:
   - RH has implications for various areas of mathematics, including random matrix theory, quantum chaos, and algebraic geometry.
   - Proving RH might require a synthesis of ideas from these diverse fields, which adds to the difficulty since it would require a deep and unified understanding across these domains.

6. **Historical Attempts and Approaches**:
   - Many of the brightest mathematical minds have attempted to tackle RH using a wide range of techniques.
   - Despite these efforts, no proof has been found, suggesting that new, groundbreaking ideas or techniques might be needed, which have not yet been discovered or developed.

In summary, the Riemann Hypothesis is hard to prove because it lies at the intersection of complex analysis, number theory, and various other branches of mathematics. Its proof likely requires innovative approaches that transcend current mathematical knowledge and techniques. The depth and breadth of the problem ensure that it remains one of the most formidable challenges in the field.
It points to complexity of Zeta function as the reason why proving Riemann's hypothesis is hard. It means that Zeta function has some sort of irregularities or unpredictable behavior that is hard to describe in a short statement.
Thus, solving the problem would involve simplification of patterns closely related to Zeta function. In other words, its irregularities need to be filtered out.

Here, I've introduced Y, S, and V functions to show/emphasize regularities of Zeta function, which lead to prove Riemann's hypothesis.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #139 on: 25/05/2024 12:52:09 »
The kind of overthinking in our previous efforts to prove Riemann's hypothesis reminds me to a mathematical joke. A kid can easily answer that 1+2=3. But he got stumped when asked what 1 billion + 2 billion equals to. Of course, the concept of billion added more complexity to the original question. But it should not obfuscate us from the basic patterns of the question.

To be more dramatic, we can be confidently say that 1G + 2G = 3G, where G represents Graham's number. Although it's practically impossible to precisely write down G in standard numerical system like decimal, we shouldn't hesitate to say whether or not the equation above is true.
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