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Re: Lifting One Weight Higher Than Another Drops
« Reply #160 on: 16/09/2022 14:10:19 »
Quote from: Deecart on 16/09/2022 13:50:48
Quote from: Colin2B on 16/09/2022 11:34:52
“ -4 - 2 = -6 “ was not the formula posed, it is very different from “when multiplying 2 * (-2) the value is -6”

I suppose you do the confusion between the word "value" and the word "result".
I do not confuse value and result. In math, value is a number signifying the result of a calculation or function.
If someone presents the calculation 2 * (-2) then the value & result are both -4

This thread is descending into absurdity and I am very tempted to lock it
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Re: Lifting One Weight Higher Than Another Drops
« Reply #161 on: 16/09/2022 14:39:50 »

Quote from: Colin2B on 16/09/2022 14:10:19
This thread is descending into absurdity and I am very tempted to lock it

At least i aggre that it is totally absurd to think that the OP can not do the right calculation of 2*(-2).
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Re: Lifting One Weight Higher Than Another Drops
« Reply #162 on: 16/09/2022 15:37:53 »
 2 * (-2) = = -4
2 - 6 = -4
 That is what is meant by a value of -6.
2 * 2 = 4
2 + 2 = 4.
That is a value of 2. When I refer to value, it is the change from the number being multiplied.
When multiplying by 2, the solution should show a relationship to 2 in both the + and - direction.

 With atmospheric pressures, I did show a relationship between 3 planets. I can factor Venus
as 1350 * (1-0.02339)^0 because it is the initial value. It would not make since to give Venus
another value when both Earth's and Mars atmospheric pressures are relative to Venus'.
 0 is an acceptable exponent.
 With Mercury, I finish my build then I can explain Mercury. It's magnetic field is considered to be neutralized by the solar wind. Isn't it interesting that a weak magnetosphere does not allow for
much of an atmosphere?
 And since I have clarified the issue with the relationship between a number and its multiplier, I'll
leave my critics to see if they can find the 2 solutions that would explain why 2 * +/-x = +/-2x does
not have the same rate of change. And since I have my build to finish, when someone realizes both
solutions to the math problem, they'll know it.
 To be nice, I will give one solution. [2] * 2 = [4] and [2] * -2 = -[4] or [-4].
That is one solution. When multiplying [set] values.........
Problem solving will allow the other solution to be realized. Then when graphed in either the +/-
direction it will have the same rate of change.
« Last Edit: 16/09/2022 16:23:10 by JLindgaard »
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Re: Lifting One Weight Higher Than Another Drops
« Reply #163 on: 16/09/2022 16:39:06 »
Quote from: JLindgaard on 16/09/2022 15:37:53
When I refer to value,
If you use a word to mean something that nobody else uses it for, nobody can understand what you are talking about.
This failure to communicate is your fault; not anyone else's.
Quote from: JLindgaard on 16/09/2022 15:37:53
. I can factor Venus
as 1350 * (1-0.02339)^0
Where did the two numbers (1350 and  0.02339) come from?
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Re: Lifting One Weight Higher Than Another Drops
« Reply #164 on: 16/09/2022 17:13:10 »
1350 psi. When considering bars/millibars, the mathematical relationship remains the same.
 As for 0.02339, where did Newton's universal constant G come from? It is a modifier
that allows a relationship to be shown. That would be another discussion.
  And now back to the 2nd solution. bored chemist, can you solve that problem? No
deflecting is allowed.
« Last Edit: 16/09/2022 17:17:14 by JLindgaard »
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Re: Lifting One Weight Higher Than Another Drops
« Reply #165 on: 16/09/2022 17:20:57 »
Quote from: JLindgaard on 16/09/2022 15:37:53
2 * (-2) = = -4
2 - 6 = -4
 That is what is meant by a value of -6.
2 * 2 = 4
2 + 2 = 4.
That is a value of 2. When I refer to value, it is the change from the number being multiplied.
When multiplying by 2, the solution should show a relationship to 2 in both the + and - direction.
 
That is an incorrect use of the term “value”
As you have decided to invent your own definitions for standard terminology this thread is locked.
Do not attempt to resurrect it or any of the topics contained in it, in a separate thread otherwise your posting rights will be removed.

Quote from: Deecart on 16/09/2022 14:39:50
At least i aggre that it is totally absurd to think that the OP can not do the right calculation of 2*(-2).
I agree, equally absurd is the thought that someone else might try to suggest he is right.
Even children know the correct use of ‘value’ and ‘result’:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/value.html
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