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Who now issues such mass standards?
Please give the exact method as the best physicists in my group belong to the fourth world and their Ph.D is from Somalia National University.
I think they were actually produced by Johnson Matthey.https://matthey.com/about-usI presume that, if you paid them, they could do it again.Quote from: theThinker on 12/01/2023 15:17:15Please give the exact method as the best physicists in my group belong to the fourth world and their Ph.D is from Somalia National University.The problem isn't physics.The problems are engineering, metalurgy etc.There is, in principle, no metal part of a car engine which couldn't be made by a man with a piece of metal and hand tools- given enough time. But it would be insane to try to do so.Making a mass comparator would be a comparable problem.
If I am the chief of my national lab, please tell me how I could produce one sample of a standard 1 kg.
What if the Vatican claims it is going to produce standard one kilogram mass to sell. Which authority is going to certify its accuracy?
Quote from: theThinker on 12/01/2023 15:17:15 If I am the chief of my national lab, please tell me how I could produce one sample of a standard 1 kg.Take a chunk of reasonably non-corroding material and machine it to your best approximation of a kilogram, then weigh it with a Kibble balance and record its exact mass. It doesn't really matter whether your national primary standard is 1.000001 kg or 0.99999 kg, as long as you know its mass to at least an order of magnitude better than your clients need to make their measurements.But don't assume it's easy! You can buy a Kibble balance and save yourself the 5 years it took my friend Ken to build the first prototype but the general consensus among those who devote their lives to primary standards is "20 man-years per decimal point".
It may be true, but can you explain the physics behind it.
Quote from: theThinker on 12/01/2023 18:28:33It may be true, but can you explain the physics behind it.Yes, but Wikipedia saves me the bother.
It seems the "exact" method is a commercial secret.
Somehow I assume the Kibble balance can measure mass "free of any mass prototype" as long as Planck constant is given an exact value.
The interesting engineering point is that the Kibble is a force balance, not a mass comparator: it measures the gravitational force on a single object. So you need to know the local value of g to determine its mass. Weirdly, it seems that we can measure the acceleration of a falling object to a greater degree of precision than the observed variance between prototype standard masses.
The Planck constant is defined strictly through the relation E = hν. So, there is no relation between Planck constant and any mass.
I think 200 years from now, people following the same technique could reproduce this new kilogram standard without error.
The Planck constant is defined strictly through the relation E = hν.
Quote from: theThinker on 14/01/2023 05:13:53 The Planck constant is defined strictly through the relation E = hν. So, there is no relation between Planck constant and any mass. There clearly is.E= MC^2Therefore M= E/ C^2Given E= hv M=hv/C^2The funny thing is that the scientists think there is, and you think there isn't.Guess which side is correct.