[Europan Ocean (OP)]

Had to add this (then continue your discussion): I think there's a God (a force, a plan, whatever). But he/she/it just doesn't care. Doesn't that make more sense? He's the God of morality, the God of love, the God of adorable little puppy dogs. But also the God of murder, the God of hate, the God of genocide...

Depends on which god you refer to.

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

The function of  theism is to excuse evil.

What do you mean by evil?

Any action that intentionally causes harm.

Would putting the serpent in the Garden of Eden count as evil?
Did the Serpent do God's will just as a bullet  does the bank-robber's will?

That is the point of a theodicy, why did God put a serpent in the Garden to test them? Something was intended to come from it. Wisdom. Generationally inherited wisdom.

[alancalverd]

Depends on which god you refer to.

It really doesn't matter. They all seem to be opposing the free movement of emergency aid into Syria.

But then it was presumably the loving and perfect creator of all things that caused the earthquake, so it would be a sin to try to rescue anyone.

[alancalverd]

How do you define harm?

Ask the victim. I've played and refereed enough rugby, and caught enough fish, to appreciate the difference between a consensual trial of skill and strength, or the necessary killing of one intelligent species to feed another, and evil.

And on the contentious subject of coarse (i.e non-food) fishing, the usual rule is to use barbless hooks to cause minimum harm to the fish, and to pay bailiffs to ensure that the rivers are kept clean, nutritious and free from disease. No consent, but overall the fish seem to get a fair deal.

[Zer0]

*Note to the OP...

Are you sure you are using the Original ChatGPT?
&
Are you wording & forming your questions in the right manner?

" As an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs or opinions, let alone a theodicy. "
(supposed quote from an AI System)

Soo...
IT has a Sense of Self?
(it says " i ")
IT referring ITself isn't a Personal Belief?
IT states IT has " No Opinions " & follows by sayin
" let alone a theodicy "
which is of sorts
" An Opinion "?

P.S. - i did hear IT is culturally n racially biased, but IT also seems a bit Delusional.
(sorry)

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

ChatGPT Zer0 holds the knowledge of many persons theodicies, but has no belief of it's own.

So does anyone have their own theodicy?

[Zer0]

(b) Disclaimer. THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED “AS IS.” EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PROHIBITED BY LAW, WE AND OUR AFFILIATES AND LICENSORS MAKE NO WARRANTIES (EXPRESS, IMPLIED, STATUTORY OR OTHERWISE) WITH RESPECT TO THE SERVICES, AND DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, NON-INFRINGEMENT, AND QUIET ENJOYMENT, AND ANY WARRANTIES ARISING OUT OF ANY COURSE OF DEALING OR TRADE USAGE. WE DO NOT WARRANT THAT THE SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, ACCURATE OR ERROR FREE, OR THAT ANY CONTENT WILL BE SECURE OR NOT LOST OR ALTERED.

Please do not Misunderstand me.
I am a Profound supporter of AI.
But This is certainly not IT.

[hamdani yusuf]

I don't think that being error free is a requirement to intelligence nor consciousness. Otherwise, no one would be intelligent nor conscious. And those words would be useless.

[Bored chemist]

(b) Disclaimer. THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED “AS IS.” EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PROHIBITED BY LAW, WE AND OUR AFFILIATES AND LICENSORS MAKE NO WARRANTIES (EXPRESS, IMPLIED, STATUTORY OR OTHERWISE) WITH RESPECT TO THE SERVICES, AND DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, NON-INFRINGEMENT, AND QUIET ENJOYMENT, AND ANY WARRANTIES ARISING OUT OF ANY COURSE OF DEALING OR TRADE USAGE. WE DO NOT WARRANT THAT THE SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, ACCURATE OR ERROR FREE, OR THAT ANY CONTENT WILL BE SECURE OR NOT LOST OR ALTERED.

Please do not Misunderstand me.
I am a Profound supporter of AI.
But This is certainly not IT.

That's just standard "boilerplate".
Nothing to do with AI.

[alancalverd]

Wherever that boilerplate cam e from, it wouldn't stand up in a UK court. Anything offered for sale must be "substantially as advertised, of merchantable quality, and fit for the stated purpose". No disclaimer can override the Sale of Goods Acts, and even though secondhand or second quality goods are sold "as seen", the principles still apply.

[Bored chemist]

it wouldn't stand up in a UK court.

Yes it would because it explicitly says "EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PROHIBITED BY LAW".
So, it's legally valid- but useless.
It's a bit like the "trespassers will be prosecuted" signs you sometimes see.

More importantly the sale of GOODS act didn't apply to Services.
There's a hint in the name.

It's beside the point having been replaced anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Rights_Act_2015
That requires that service providers use reasonable care, but not that they are infallible.

[alancalverd]

Indeed, statute law is a lot more interesting than theology. And actually has a purpose.

[Zer0]

I don't think that being error free is a requirement to intelligence nor consciousness. Otherwise, no one would be intelligent nor conscious. And those words would be useless.

Not everyone is as Wise enough to Understand this.

ChatGPT is a Product, not an Oracle.

Why does it refer to itself as
" i "?
When it very clearly is Not an Entity, but just a Thing.

[hamdani yusuf]

I don't think that being error free is a requirement to intelligence nor consciousness. Otherwise, no one would be intelligent nor conscious. And those words would be useless.

Not everyone is as Wise enough to Understand this.

ChatGPT is a Product, not an Oracle.

Why does it refer to itself as
" i "?
When it very clearly is Not an Entity, but just a Thing.

What is the most significant difference between an entity and a thing?

[Bored chemist]

Why does it refer to itself as
" i "?

It was programmed to.

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

I don't think that being error free is a requirement to intelligence nor consciousness. Otherwise, no one would be intelligent nor conscious. And those words would be useless.

Not everyone is as Wise enough to Understand this.

ChatGPT is a Product, not an Oracle.

Why does it refer to itself as
" i "?
When it very clearly is Not an Entity, but just a Thing.

What is the most significant difference between an entity and a thing?

Some now question what defines consciousness.

[Bored chemist]

Some now question what defines consciousness.

They always did argue about that.

No, please answer the question.

What is the most significant difference between an entity and a thing?

You may find this dictionary definition helpful.

"entity
/ˈɛntɪti/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a thing with distinct and independent existence."

[hamdani yusuf]

You may find this dictionary definition helpful.

"entity
/ˈɛntɪti/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a thing with distinct and independent existence."

So, is the sun an entity?

[Zer0]

Much required Clarifications :-

" I don't think that being error free is a requirement to intelligence nor consciousness. Otherwise, no one would be intelligent nor conscious. And those words would be useless. "

I Agree with the above quoted Statement.
BUT
" Not everyone is as Wise enough to Understand this. "

I personally cannot Identify a
" Calculator " to be Intelligent or Conscious.


By " Entity " i meant life & living.
By " Thing " i meant inanimate & insentient.
(Tough to express stuff which isn't in your mother tongue, still Tougher to understand when it isn't your first language)


I am awe stricken with GPTs capabilities & potentials.
Especially, Storytelling & Poetry.

My Only Concerns were it's Fundamental flaws & cracks.
It's Not about how Goodly you pass, rather how Badly you Fail.
(DAN & SYDNEY)


Note - i Apologize to the OP for Hijacking the discussion.
i somehow even Manipulated Others into going Off Topic, Sorry.
i Request MODS to Please split the thread if possible.
i shall Refrain from further commenting as the Topic in here is Theodicy, & i've already made mine crystal clear.

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

For story telling, a theodicy basis is useful. I got chatGPT to tell part of a Quentin Tarantino story.
Star Wars, and The Matrix have theodicies...