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What is your take on moral purchasing?
« on: 12/03/2023 00:18:32 »
Greta Thunberg firmly believes her acts will get her into heaven. These acts are her traveling around the world telling people what she thinks, purchasing an eco-friendly car, writing books and articles for the "thinking man", eating locally sourced food such as Västerbotten cheese., et cetera.
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #1 on: 12/03/2023 00:43:55 »
Anyone who thinks they are going to heaven is already there, if heaven is a state of mind, or due for an awful disappointment  if they think it is something else.

There is no such thing as an ecofriendly car. Or indeed an ecofriendly anything else. All living things turn their environment into toxic waste - that's the definition of living.

It makes sense to limit your waste to stuff that other living things can use to restore environmental equilibrium, but cars and books definitely don't feature in that cycle.


I'd go for the local cheese, though. Gjetost rarely appears outside of Scandinavia, and it is worth burning a few gallons of AVGAS to buy it.

The problem with moral purchasing is that the world changes. In my  younger days I would never buy anything made in Germany or Japan and nobody with any sense of decency ate food from Spain or South Africa, but the glorious Soviet Union made some very affordable cameras, microscopes and oscilloscopes. My generation has since rehabilitated the nations that made life miserable for my parents, and now anything Russian is taboo, so I'm a bit reluctant to show my Ukrainian house guests into my workshop. .
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #2 on: 12/03/2023 01:54:33 »
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 12/03/2023 00:18:32
Greta Thunberg firmly believes her acts will get her into heaven. These acts are her traveling around the world telling people what she thinks, purchasing an eco-friendly car, writing books and articles for the "thinking man", eating locally sourced food such as Västerbotten cheese., et cetera.

Few Personal Doubts :-

Not sure if She identifies herself as  a ' Religious or Spiritual ' person.
Donno if Religious people Believe in fighting against Fate.
Coz that would/could in a sense mean going against GOD's Will.
(Jehovah's Witnesses)

When She's travelling, there seems to be a whole PR team besides her.
That beats the Cause, amounting to carbon footprints increase.
Besides her Tactics & Strategies are vague & mostly Fail to Deliver.
(Her comments go Viral on Social Media, which utilizes Electricity)

Electric Vehicles need materials which are Mined from the Earth.
Lots of materials go into manufacturing a car.
Perhaps the best course of action would be to stay still & not move atall.
(Maybe she should promote Walking & buying a Bicycle)

There isn't any Morality in Axing down an Individual who is Alive, then Chopping them up into pieces, Pulping their body by adding Chemicals, finally drying them up n compressing their remains, so that You could do something useful with it.
(She might be a bit Biased as I haven't ever heard her protesting against Toilet Paper)

Cannot confirm Claims of She writing for the " Thinking Man ".
Women also Think, & drive cars too.
(that's Sexist)

Slaving an Individual, artificially Raping them, utilizing their bodily fluids to make Products for Consumerism is Unethical.
It then hardly matters if the Produce was consumed Locally or Internationally.
(Hypocrisy)

Last but not the Least...
Going off on a one sided Rant, Cribbing & Crying & Whining & Complaining & Blaming Everybody else might seem to be the Cool & Fashionable thing to do nowadays, but acting batshite crazee Does Not Work Out!

" When you Stop being a Part of the Solution, you End up becoming the complete Problem. "
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P.S. - Miss Thunberg is a Bold & Gutsy person with Heroic attributes.
I Admire Her Alot!
But sadly, the Theme of the Cosmos is, from Absolute Order towards Complete Chaos!
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #3 on: 12/03/2023 11:15:11 »
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 12/03/2023 00:18:32
Greta Thunberg firmly believes her acts will get her into heaven.
She is reported to be an atheist.
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #4 on: 12/03/2023 23:50:51 »
Belief in a god is not a requirement for belief in an afterlife - ask any Buddhist.
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #5 on: 14/03/2023 00:22:31 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/03/2023 11:15:11
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 12/03/2023 00:18:32
Greta Thunberg firmly believes her acts will get her into heaven.
She is reported to be an atheist.

Hence She seems to be striving hard to turn this Planet into a Heaven & prevent it from becoming Hell.

Quote from: alancalverd on 12/03/2023 23:50:51
Belief in a god is not a requirement for belief in an afterlife - ask any Buddhist.

& perhaps even Heaven & Hell aren't the Final Destinations.
The Ultimate Goal, is Liberation!
(nirvana)


*Note - Nobody called out the derogatory remarks or pointed out the crude fallacies in Reply#2, Why?
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #6 on: 14/03/2023 02:11:16 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/03/2023 00:43:55
There is no such thing as an ecofriendly car. Or indeed an ecofriendly anything else.
The threshold for ecofriendly may differ from one person to another, but we can say that some kinds of car are more ecofriendly than the others.

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All living things turn their environment into toxic waste - that's the definition of living.
Not necessarily. Someone's trash is someone else's treasure.
Here's an example.
12 Year Old Terrarium - Life Inside a closed jar, Over a decade in isolation
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In this video we take a look at the terrarium my brother made during his childhood. This terrarium was made between 2007 - 2008. This makes the terrarium at least 12 years old.

Inside there is a variety of organisms. All of which have persisted within the closed ecosystem for generations. Originally this terrarium was home to a lot more plant and isopod species, however as the years went by biodiversity was lost as the new ecosystem balanced out.

Currently the ecosystem is experiencing cycles. As the plant population increased, so did the isopods. This caused the isopod population to graze on a lot of the terrariums plants, causing the plant population to decrease. I imagine centipede populations may increase in future giving the plants the opportunity to recover.

I found this terrarium very fascinating as it's almost as if there are two separate worlds within the same glass demijohn. The algae underground creates a unique habitat, which couldn't possibly exist in nature due to the fact the glass ensured that light could reach the soil underground. This allowed algaes, moss and fungi to flourish, alongside any of the smaller invertebrates that lived among them.

Adult isopods seem to inhabit the surface and rarely venture below ground. I believe this is due to the hardness of the clay and rock substrate. The babies do seem to venture underground though, likely using tunnels left behind by earthworms many years ago.
I think the biodiversity issue can be addressed with larger terrarium.
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #7 on: 14/03/2023 03:00:31 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/03/2023 00:43:55
The problem with moral purchasing is that the world changes.
Your moral standard is more consistent than your moral rules. If your moral standard is conditional, i.e. changes by world conditions, then by definition it's not universal. You can choose to follow different moral rules in different conditions, based on your moral standard.
Efficiency is a universal instrumental goal, assuming the same effectiveness. This is the basis for Occam's razor.
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #8 on: 14/03/2023 15:19:55 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/03/2023 02:11:16
I think the biodiversity issue can be addressed with larger terrarium.
Like a planet, for instance.

The point remains that animals exhale carbon dioxide which is toxic to animals, and plants exhale oxygen which is toxic to plants. Which is why they all exhale.
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #9 on: 14/03/2023 15:49:30 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/03/2023 00:43:55
The problem with moral purchasing is that the world changes. In my younger days, I would never buy anything made in Germany or Japan and nobody with any sense of decency ate food from Spain or South Africa, but the glorious Soviet Union made some very affordable cameras, microscopes, and oscilloscopes. My generation has since rehabilitated the nations that made life miserable for my parents, and now anything Russian is taboo, so I'm a bit reluctant to show my Ukrainian house guests into my workshop. .
So the Russian, Cambodian, North Korean, Chinese, Argentinian, and Cuban governments with all their genocides get a pass?
« Last Edit: 14/03/2023 15:58:13 by Pseudoscience-is-malarkey »
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Re: What is your take on moral purchasing?
« Reply #10 on: 14/03/2023 17:22:11 »
If you read what I wrote, I've already declared Russian goods haram. AFAIK none of the other states you mention  apart  from China has much of a manufacturing industry. I've never outsourced anything to Chinese industry.

I complained about being served Argentinian wine on UK government premises, my complaint was ignored, and a month later Galtieri invaded the Falklands. I think his successors may  have improved things somewhat.  Margaret Thatcher's idol Pinochet having  had a heart attack (deo gratias and may his immortal soul rot in hell), I'm reasonably happy to drink Chilean wine nowadays.

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