[Europan Ocean (OP)]

Things are progressing like a cancer in government, like Nazi Germany. In California, abortion can be after birth by 48 hours and now there is talk of weeks after. They are sourced for spare organs like spare parts. It is a tragedy. I recall at age 11 attending the funeral of a still born cousin. And how grieved a friend was when he also lost a daughter. But some people abort for a career choice. Where is the love in that? For some money and pleasure are what guides them. Like with Maslow's chart of motivations, physiological needs at the bottom. It can imply greed.

Without personification Baal and Marduk are back. Sacrifice for fertility of the fields... but in another form.

Now it is possible a soldier with conscience and faith can be sent to fight for democracy, and his wife and children are hindered from going to church, at school taught queer theory, secular humanism, and abortion as a right, and the wife may be under pressure to kill her baby. He is not given a birth certificate. He returns home to tragedy. What did he fight for?

This is cancerous progress.

Roe Vs Wade gave the care free a toe hold, now they have a foot hold. Difficult to remove.

Christian schools may lose the expression of the right to choose their staff according to the Christian ethos. One size philosophy fits all. Communistic. Following China not so much old America as under Reagan. No business competition and free thought. I want "live the difference." To express conscience and for it to take root.

[Bored chemist]

In California, abortion can be after birth

No, it can't.
If you think it can, then prove it.

[alancalverd]

Thank God for the abolition of religion.

[paul cotter]

Abortion after birth??. I suggest the OP does not understand the meaning of "abortion" and/or "birth". Reminds me of some quack I saw years ago advocating unsound medical practices wherein he claimed to have cured prostate cancer, on a woman!!

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

Abortions were at first looked upon as not so bad because the child by then was only a mass of cells and maybe the home budget was difficult. But then at 8 months and ten minutes before birth.

Here is a PDF file I found.
http://media.aclj.org/pdf/Letter-to-Chair-Holden-updated_Redacted.pdf

And: https://aclj.org/pro-life/stop-planned-parenthood-from-harvesting-and-selling-babies-organs?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=d-04272023_seg-DxDETpGCpUL_top-PL_typ-HY_con-DefeatAbortion-Harvesting_AM_A

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

Thank God for the abolition of religion.

Why would that be any good? Not all religions are equal. And some point out that they are more spiritual than religious.

Defining religion as the habitual practice following a spiritual high experience.

[Origin]

Things are progressing like a cancer in government, like Nazi Germany. In California, abortion can be after birth by 48 hours and now there is talk of weeks after. They are sourced for spare organs like spare parts. It is a tragedy. I recall at age 11 attending the funeral of a still born cousin. And how grieved a friend was when he also lost a daughter. But some people abort for a career choice. Where is the love in that? For some money and pleasure are what guides them. Like with Maslow's chart of motivations, physiological needs at the bottom. It can imply greed.

Without personification Baal and Marduk are back. Sacrifice for fertility of the fields... but in another form.

Now it is possible a soldier with conscience and faith can be sent to fight for democracy, and his wife and children are hindered from going to church, at school taught queer theory, secular humanism, and abortion as a right, and the wife may be under pressure to kill her baby. He is not given a birth certificate. He returns home to tragedy. What did he fight for?

This whole post is unhinged.  You need to stop listening to right wing radio.

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

This whole post is unhinged.  You need to stop listening to right wing radio.

I listen to left, right and centre, Indian, Australian, US. Odd that the right opposes the old right, and even the Nazis placed a high value on their infants. It looks like euthanasia is back also. I tend to want the best of both worlds.

The Nazi economy worked much better than the socialist one before it, but having as it were a cancer at the head of state, that only made it progress more badly. It grew strong. China is now a mix of capitalist and communist, and some in the US want capitalism for the big business and socialism for the common people.

[Bored chemist]

Abortions were at first looked upon as not so bad because the child by then was only a mass of cells and maybe the home budget was difficult. But then at 8 months and ten minutes before birth.

Here is a PDF file I found.
http://media.aclj.org/pdf/Letter-to-Chair-Holden-updated_Redacted.pdf

And: https://aclj.org/pro-life/stop-planned-parenthood-from-harvesting-and-selling-babies-organs?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=d-04272023_seg-DxDETpGCpUL_top-PL_typ-HY_con-DefeatAbortion-Harvesting_AM_A

So, you have found some right wing nutters' claim that the bill could be misinterpreted as saying something rather than that it does say (or intends to say) it.

Do you really not understand that difference?

The difference is whether you are a fool or a liar.

Anyone can set up a petition.
I could set one up to stop Bruce Springsteen feeding  giant pandas  to unicorns.
It doesn't mean he's actually doing it.
It's just a good way of spreading a slander.

If it was true they would have named the "senior Planned Parenthood abortionist" who was "caught on camera detailing how they “crush” the baby, altering the abortion procedure, so they are “very good at getting heart, lung, liver."

But the real giveaway is that it says Then they sell the babies’ organs so it “doesn’t look like they’re making money.” '

That just doesn't make sense.
It's impossible.

So why do you believe an impossible claim?

It's no wonder that the GOP tried to ban the teaching of critical thinking skills, is it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html

[Bored chemist]

Why would that be any good?

Because they all promote hatred of the "out group", often with fatal results.

[Bored chemist]

It looks like euthanasia is back also.

Only if you believe the wingnuts on the Right.
You know, the ones who say things like this.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-candidate-general-election-disabled-people-money-sally-ann-hart-a9235281.html

[alancalverd]

The Nazi economy worked much better than the socialist one before it,

The Nazis were socialists. The system they imposed resulted in the devastation of Germany and its economy, followed by  50  years of military occupation during which the country was rebuilt and rehabilitated by those the Nazis had chosen as enemies.

[alancalverd]

Euthanasia is a Good Thing. Ask anyone suffering from God-given incurable pain but lacking the physical capacity to take his own life.

[Bored chemist]

The Nazis were socialists.

Who fought against Russia...

But this whole thread is founded on nothing.
Unless the OP can actually back up their claims, it should be closed down.

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

There was a change in government policy, Roe Vs Wade led to millions of abortions and many were unreported. I am not a fool for thinking this is a bad thing? I heard reports of late term abortions.

AB 2223 was amended.
https://cacatholic.org/article/ab-2223-infanticide-bill-amended
I think the ACLJ is biased but competent.
https://aclj.org/abortion
I wonder what the US economy would be like with an extra 60 million citizens aged 50 or younger?
The heart beat bill is progress in my view.

[alancalverd]

Roe Vs Wade led to millions of abortions and many were unreported.

No, it legitimised abortion.

How many were unreported? If they weren't reported, how do you know?

Reporting of medically induced abortions is not mandatory in all US states.

Most abortions are God-given (about 30% of all pregnancies abort spontaneously- i.e because the Lord wishes it so) and are not required to be reported anywhere.

[alancalverd]

from: alancalverd on Today at 12:17:09
The Nazis were socialists.

Who fought against Russia...

After having signed a nonaggression pact.....

[alancalverd]

I wonder what the US economy would be like with an extra 60 million unloved unwanted and unsupported citizens aged 50 or younger?

(my italics - I think you missed that bit out)

[Europan Ocean (OP)]

Roe Vs Wade led to millions of abortions and many were unreported.

No, it legitimised abortion.

How many were unreported? If they weren't reported, how do you know?

Reporting of medically induced abortions is not mandatory in all US states.

Most abortions are God-given (about 30% of all pregnancies abort spontaneously- i.e because the Lord wishes it so) and are not required to be reported anywhere.

Some abortions use a pill.
I thought it was only one in six that survived.

[Bored chemist]

But this whole thread is founded on nothing.
Unless the OP can actually back up their claims, it should be closed down.

Show us  "The Requirement to Kill Your Child" or admit that you were wrong about it.