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Double | slit | Experiment?
« on: 11/06/2023 20:42:33 »
When any particle is shot from the barrel, should it not follow a straight path n just crash & smash right between both slits?

Does it somehow Curve or follow a bent path to go thru any one slit?

If Yes, then Why?

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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #1 on: 11/06/2023 21:01:06 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 11/06/2023 20:42:33
When any particle is shot from the barrel, should it not follow a straight path n just crash & smash right between both slits?
If you mean a bullet the answer is yes.  If you mean something about the size of a Buckyball or less the answer is no, because the 'particle' is not really a particle (like a little ball), it is a quantum particle which means it has wavelike properties, like interference patterns.
Quote from: Zer0 on 11/06/2023 20:42:33
Does it somehow Curve or follow a bent path to go thru any one slit?
If Yes, then Why?
No.  A quantum particles wavelike properties result in an interference pattern.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #2 on: 14/06/2023 20:02:19 »
I have heard Alot about Particle Wave Duality.
Partiwave n Wavicle n wat not!

But to Apply that same principle on Atoms & Molecules is simply too much for me to wrap my head around.

Why is it even called Quantum physics or mechanics, one could simply call it Irrational Insanity!
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #3 on: 15/06/2023 15:41:13 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 14/06/2023 20:02:19
Why is it even called Quantum physics or mechanics, one could simply call it Irrational Insanity!
Quantum physics is neither irrational nor insanity, it is mind boggling though.  The reason it is so mind boggling is because quantum effects are not seen in our macroscopic world experience.  People are not born with a knowledge of physics we learn physics as we grow and experience the world around us.  We learn things like object permanence, forces, momentum and velocity on an intuitive level before we ever learn physics in school.

We never directly experience quantum effects so we have not developed an intuition about them, so they seem strange.  Even the comment that quantum objects have a wave and particle duality is misleading.  Quantum objects are not waves and they are not particles and they aren't half waves and half particles.  Quantum particles are objects that cannot be described classically and when you try to describe them using classical terms you will end up incorrectly describing them and will come away with a false understanding.
Quantum physics is real, consistent and can be clearly described with mathematics, but it is definitely NOT intuitive.
I often hear people say you cannot develop an intuition about quantum mechanics without doing the math.  I disagree with this idea.  The problem with trying to understand quantum effects from articles that don't use the math is that they will invariably try to use classic analogies.  This will leave you with a mistaken understanding.  To get an understanding of quantum effects you need to concentrate on the experimental results and refrain from trying to make those results 'fit into' your classical intuition.  There are some excellent Youtube videos that will help you to get a bit of an intuitive understanding quantum physics.  Unfortunately, there are many more terrible videos on quantum mechanics.
 
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #4 on: 15/06/2023 23:05:59 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 11/06/2023 20:42:33
Does it somehow Curve or follow a bent path to go thru any one slit?

If Yes, then Why?
Because a "particle"  isn't really a particle! We can do a lot of physics and chemistry with "billiard ball models" in which atoms are solid chunks that collide, bounce and stick together like familiar macroscopic objects. But when we look closer we notice that an atom is mostly space, and the more we think about movement, the more we realise that position and momentum do not have unique instantaneous values, so the model of a cannon ball crashing into a wall may be adequate to describe the average performance of umpteen zillion iron atoms all glued together, but not that of a single atom which might just find its way through one of the arrow slits and turn up inside the castle with a probability rather than a predictable position. 

Old story of a traveller in Dublin asking the way to Cork and getting the answer "Sure, if I was going to Cork I wouldn't start from Dublin". Much the same with wave and quantum mechanics: if you start with newtonian cannon balls and just make them smaller, you don't arrive at an interference pattern, but if you start with an interference pattern you will end up with wave and quantum mechanics.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #5 on: 16/06/2023 20:11:07 »
Confession!
I did end up watching quite a lot of videos on Utube.

I won't say they were terrible or purposefully misleading.
I suppose the creators/uploaders were trying their best to dumb it down for the lay audiences like me to digest.

& Ofcourse all the vids i watched were animated so U get the gist of it.


I kinda realize where i went wrong here...

They showed a string of particles(not photons) shooting thru the barrel, passing thru the slits, creating an interference pattern.

Then placed the whichway detector n switched it ON.
Saying wavefunction collapsed.
& No more interference pattern.

But at both occasions, i could see the particles were curving/bending.
Coz the aimcursor of the barrel to me seemed like pointing towards the spot right between the slits.

Perhaps they should Not have shown Particles in the first place.
Rather replaced them with blurry Waves.


Anyways, i would like to continue to understand this further...

1) If Something is passing thru slits & creating an Interference pattern.
Why do We simply not classify them as Waves?

2) It's Only after Measurements, that a Particle nature is observed.
Why then confuse our ownselves with Duality?

3) Superposition is simply a set of Probabilities.
But there can be only one final Possibility, Correct?


ps - Thanks for your contributions.
Plz continue to bare with me.
Many a times i've read stuff like...
Tree falls in jungle, no one there to see, it does not make no Sound.
The Moon is only there when U look at it.
The Cat is both Dead & Alive at the Same Time.

All of the Above seems like a load full of BS to mee!
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #6 on: 17/06/2023 01:06:25 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 16/06/2023 20:11:07
All of the Above seems like a load full of BS to mee!
They are BS!
"Tree falls in jungle, no one there to see, it does not make no Sound."  This is just a matter of semantics, it depends on how you are defining sound.
"The Moon is only there when U look at it."  Nope.
"The Cat is both Dead & Alive at the Same Time."  Terrible analogy a cat is either dead or alive.

Quote from: Zer0 on 16/06/2023 20:11:07
1) If Something is passing thru slits & creating an Interference pattern.
Why do We simply not classify them as Waves?
The reason, as you probably saw in the video, is that when the wave hits the detector screen it leaves a dot.  A wave does not hit a screen in one tiny spot, that is something particles do.  But the individual dots combine to make an interference pattern, like a wave.  So again, I say don't try to visualize what this quantum particle looks like because it 'looks' like something you have never seen nor will ever see.
Quote from: Zer0 on 16/06/2023 20:11:07
2) It's Only after Measurements, that a Particle nature is observed.
Why then confuse our ourselves with Duality?
It is not just measurements.  Essentially, any time a quantum particle interacts with another particle, the quantum particle displays a particle nature as opposed to a wave nature.  For instance when an electron absorbs a photon the photon is displaying it's particle nature because the entire 'photon wave' is being absorbed by a point particle.
Your last question I will leave to someone with more knowledge than me and they can also point out any errors in my attempt to answer your other questions.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #7 on: 18/06/2023 20:22:57 »
Yup!
It indeed is BS.
Propagated by certain Utubers as clickbaits to get more n more views.

The tree falling would create a shockwave.
The surrounding ground could be tested for clues.

The moon at times isn't visible, but tides exist.
Also moon formed before, abiogenesis later.

It is just a Probability of the cat being dead or alive, the final possibility ain't dual in nature.

I'm Sure you All have seen stuff online sayin " Physicists prove Reality is not Real " & " Scientists confirm the Universe doesn't Exist ".

Lay folks like me read up all this Stuff n feel soo cool & good.
Until we bump into a REAL scientist...
It doesn't end well for us.
: (

Philosophy, Religion, Politics are Plagued sure enough.
But Science has a few bad rats too!
(sorry)
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #8 on: 18/06/2023 20:43:40 »
Quote from: Origin on 17/06/2023 01:06:25

Quote from: Zer0 on 16/06/2023 20:11:07
1) If Something is passing thru slits & creating an Interference pattern.
Why do We simply not classify them as Waves?
The reason, as you probably saw in the video, is that when the wave hits the detector screen it leaves a dot.  A wave does not hit a screen in one tiny spot, that is something particles do.  But the individual dots combine to make an interference pattern, like a wave.

Quote from: Zer0 on 16/06/2023 20:11:07
2) It's Only after Measurements, that a Particle nature is observed.
Why then confuse our ourselves with Duality?
It is not just measurements.  Essentially, any time a quantum particle interacts with another particle, the quantum particle displays a particle nature as opposed to a wave nature.  For instance when an electron absorbs a photon the photon is displaying it's particle nature because the entire 'photon wave' is being absorbed by a point particle.

So...a wave comes out of the barrel.
a wave goes thru both slits.
the wave crashes into the detector screen, wave function collapses as measurement is made.


If by algebraical deduction We reach m=f...
If a wreckin ball, a moon, a planet, all have miniscule wavelengths n frequencies..
Then is there any Unmeasured Undetected Unobserved Particle in this Universe?


[ 3) Superposition is simply a set of Probabilities.
But there can be only one final Possibility, Correct? ]
(unanswered)


ps - it doesn't seem irrational anymore, neither insane.
But measuring waves(particles) by using waves(instruments) being observed by waves(US) sure sounds SILLY!
^__^
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #9 on: 19/06/2023 15:20:54 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 16/06/2023 20:11:07
1) If Something is passing thru slits & creating an Interference pattern.
Why do We simply not classify them as Waves?

2) It's Only after Measurements, that a Particle nature is observed.
Why then confuse our ownselves with Duality?

3) Superposition is simply a set of Probabilities.
But there can be only one final Possibility, Correct?
Usual problem of assuming that a model is reality.

We observe a pattern. We also observe that  this pattern corresponds to what we would calculate as the interference pattern of waves emanating from both slits. But when we put a single-particle detector at the receiving end, it detects individual events with the same energy and composition as the source - no "partial electrons" or "redshifted photons".

So we need two models: a wave model of propagation and a particle model of interaction.

You can combine the two per Schrodinger by saying that the calculated wave interference pattern has the same form as  the probability of finding the particle at any position downstream, which it does.

So it's more logical to say that (3) probability is modelled by superposition.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #10 on: 25/06/2023 22:04:02 »
Thanks to You both for spending your precious Time.
Much Appreciated!

" The more i Know,
The more i Realize...
i know Nothing! "
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #11 on: 27/06/2023 09:14:34 »
Old aviators' adage:

After 100 hours you know everything
After 1000 hours you know you don't know everything
After 10000 hours you know you can't know everything

Much the same in science.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #12 on: 09/07/2023 21:24:14 »
@Zkzm

If We know, that We cannot know, does it kinda mean, that We do Know?
(lol sorry)

Anyways, could a Layperson think of the Barrel as a hollow  cylindrical Wave.
Whatever shoots outta it, a free flowing Wave as well.
The double slits as gapped out Waves too.
& the final detection wall as a huge stagnant Wave as well.

It's all higgledy-piggledy anyways, isn't it?
(lol sorry again)
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #13 on: 09/07/2023 21:42:57 »
Quote from: Origin on 17/06/2023 01:06:25
So again, I say don't try to visualize what this quantum particle looks like because it 'looks' like something you have never seen nor will ever see.

Hmm...that sounds similar to...
Trying to write the word ' WATER '...
On the surface of water..
By using only Water!

What if the Wave Function is just a mathematical construct trying to define Probabilities.
& the crux of the problem lies in Our ways of Measurements?
(I've heard drunk people..umm..really really drunk peeps can see twos & fours of one)

Anyways, if a Lay Mind went the absolutist dogmatic way, & thought of the barrel n what comes outta it as a Particle.
The double slits & detector screen as particles too.

Would it be Really Silly then to deduce that Everything except All of Space is Waves?
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #14 on: 11/07/2023 15:02:59 »
Quote from: Origin on 15/06/2023 15:41:13
There are some excellent Youtube videos that will help you to get a bit of an intuitive understanding quantum physics.  Unfortunately, there are many more terrible videos on quantum mechanics.
Which category is this video?
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #15 on: 12/07/2023 05:00:56 »
Here's another video from The Royal Institution on double slit experiment.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #16 on: 12/07/2023 15:33:30 »
This video emphasizes the wave behavior in double slits experiment with laser.
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« Reply #17 on: 12/07/2023 15:39:10 »
And this video puts the double slits experiment under a microscope to see the on going process.
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Re: Double | slit | Experiment?
« Reply #18 on: 20/07/2023 20:02:39 »
@Yusuf

I have a few questions about the apparatus/instruments/devices used in the DSE.

Will you Help me in figuring out the Answers?

ps - totally fine if u can't.
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« Reply #19 on: 20/07/2023 22:54:41 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 20/07/2023 20:02:39
@Yusuf

I have a few questions about the apparatus/instruments/devices used in the DSE.

Will you Help me in figuring out the Answers?

ps - totally fine if u can't.
What are the questions?
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