[Petrochemicals (OP)]

A couple of years ago, the annual death rate for cats run over outside my house increased by more than 1,000,000%. Shock! Horror! Clearly correlated with a partial solar eclipse just a month earlier. Time to ban the moon? Well, we had a full moon  last night and now there's a dead deer on the road, so Something Must Be Done Before It's Too Late To Save Wildlife.

The steam roller paid off in the end I see Alan.

But joking aside, it isn't just a case of assuming one event casuses another, mental health problems do lead to suicide. I know there are people who see one event and assume it means that something also present is obviously responsible, it's how we got religion after all, the sacrifices please the sun after all. As for the dodgy tickers, this could be a long covid of course.

And for the deer, they need culling, we have a valuable untapped food resource that does nothing but transmit TB to cattle and destroy plants and feed a plague of foxes when they get hit by cars.

[paul cotter]

Petro, life is tough and some people just can't hack it, unfortunately. If there were no lockdowns there would have been mayhem with the hospitals overloaded and a potential complete breakdown of health care: in such a scenario the mental health consequences may have been a lot worse. When a novel virus turns up, with highly contagious nature and unknown potential for both mortality and morbidity, anything less than a lockdown is irresponsible.

[alancalverd]

I know there are people who see one event and assume it means that something also present is obviously responsible

But you can't ignore a consistent bidirectional correlation between teenage suicide and Tory government, going back over 40 years and four changes of governing party, and not synchronised with COVID or any other single cause I can think of.
 

[Bored chemist]

But you can't ignore a consistent bidirectional correlation between teenage suicide and Tory government,

I'm willing to bet that he can.
It's irrational, but that won't stop him.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

lf there were no lockdowns there would have been mayhem with the hospitals overloaded and a potential complete breakdown of health care:

It didnt in Sweden.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

I know there are people who see one event and assume it means that something also present is obviously responsible

But you can't ignore a consistent bidirectional correlation between teenage suicide and Tory government, going back over 40 years and four changes of governing party, and not synchronised with COVID or any other single cause I can think of.
 

Mmm, you can't ignore the correlation between the tory government and a bad economy, Thatcher was a resounding failure socially, economically and in development terms. She did win the Falkland war however, singlehandedly freeing the islands herself, (or is that just another Misconception). Perhaps that is linked, the Conservative philosophy of every individual for themselves is somehow having an effect on both?

[alancalverd]

It didnt in Sweden.

Sweden has less than a tenth of the UK population density and a functioning public health service run by professionals.

[alancalverd]

She did win the Falkland war however, singlehandedly freeing the islands herself, (or is that just another Misconception).

She deliberately encouraged the Argentinian invasion by depleting the garrison and withdrawing the spy ship, despite clear intelligence warnings. Machiavelli recommended the tactic for any incompetent and unpopular leader, and since both Thatcher and Galtierei met those criteria, they did it. Fortunately the outcome was less of a disaster for the residents than Bush's invasion of Iraq, though Bush's Secretary of State made a lot of money from the latter so it achieved the primary objective.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

It didnt in Sweden.

Sweden has less than a tenth of the UK population density and a functioning public health service run by professionals.

It didnt in Sweden.

Sweden has less than a tenth of the UK population density and a functioning public health service run by professionals.

Point stands.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

She did win the Falkland war however, singlehandedly freeing the islands herself, (or is that just another Misconception).

She deliberately encouraged the Argentinian invasion by depleting the garrison and withdrawing the spy ship, despite clear intelligence warnings. Machiavelli recommended the tactic for any incompetent and unpopular leader, and since both Thatcher and Galtierei met those criteria, they did it. Fortunately the outcome was less of a disaster for the residents than Bush's invasion of Iraq, though Bush's Secretary of State made a lot of money from the latter so it achieved the primary objective.

Yes it's all politics, thatcher had a fast and rapid pain free appearance to her tenure, it seems better than a slower propper functional investment of effort in the country, I suppose given Thatchers standing even today it must be what sells, as seen in HRH Blair. The lie sells and gets you the keys to number ten, it makes China seem quite rational.

[alancalverd]

Point stands.

The point being that airborne infections spread most rapidly when people crowd together. Even the UK government realised this, until it was pointed  out that (a) it isn't true in Downing Street and (b) it would Spoil the Profits of  Christmas if everyone knew the truth.

My thoughts on the impact of amateurism in public services are unprintable in a family-friendly forum.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

Point stands.

The point being that airborne infections spread most rapidly when people crowd together. Even the UK government realised this, until it was pointed  out that (a) it isn't true in Downing Street and (b) it would Spoil the Profits of  Christmas if everyone knew the truth.

My thoughts on the impact of amateurism in public services are unprintable in a family-friendly forum.

Nope, point being that the collapse of society did not occur in Sweden.

[alancalverd]

Nor anywhere else. What remains obvious is the increase in COVID infections every time the quarantine rules were relaxed  in the UK. 

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

Nor anywhere else.

Proves the pint then, lockdowns did not stop societal collapse.

[alancalverd]

What societal collapse? The fall of the Roman empire? French Revolution? American Civil War?  Berlin Wall?

What prevented societal collapse and total anarchy in Britain in the last 5 years was my changing from briefs to boxer shorts.  I defy you to prove otherwise. 

[Bored chemist]

lockdowns did not stop societal collapse.

They didn't start it either.
So what?

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

lf there were no lockdowns there would have been mayhem with the hospitals overloaded and a potential complete breakdown of health care:

It didnt in Sweden.

What societal collapse? The fall of the Roman empire? French Revolution? American Civil War?  Berlin Wall?

What prevented societal collapse and total anarchy in Britain in the last 5 years was my changing from briefs to boxer shorts.  I defy you to prove otherwise. 

I fear you are being coy Alan, the point that you replied to first of all,(and for some reason have forgotten) was the one above, which if you read the reply I made to Paul cotter has to be taken in context of Paul's reply, unless it is standard practice to say a country and a non descript phrase? Maybe corona had the effect of memory loss?



It goes in Holland.

They are in Burkina Faso

[paul cotter]

Petro, this is all hindsight. When a novel virus appears it is far better to be cautious rather than careless. No one knew how bad it could get. The young doctor in china who broke the story and was initially sanctioned for doing so died from it. Given the death rate with sars we had to err on the side of caution and when the death rate rose again. 100years ago we had a much more serious problem with the Spanish flu and it could have been as bad or worse with covid-we just did not know.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

Petro, this is all hindsight. When a novel virus appears it is far better to be cautious rather than careless. No one knew how bad it could get. The young doctor in china who broke the story and was initially sanctioned for doing so died from it. Given the death rate with sars we had to err on the side of caution and when the death rate rose again. 100years ago we had a much more serious problem with the Spanish flu and it could have been as bad or worse with covid-we just did not know.

We did know the mortality rate by the time lockdown ensued, there was talk at the time of a Sweden style lockdown, there was also clear knowledge of the damage that it would inflict on the youth but erred on the side of sod them. In China Winnie the poo is illegal.

[Bored chemist]

We did know the mortality rate by the time lockdown ensued

Only if we had trustworthy data from China.

In China Winnie the poo is illegal.