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How does electricity propagate through conductors?
« on: 13/12/2023 14:36:04 »
The story started with Veritasium's video, which generated many responses among science Youtubers.
The Big Misconception About Electricity

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The misconception is that electrons carry potential energy around a complete conducting loop, transferring their energy to the load.
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Re: How does electricity propagate through conductors?
« Reply #1 on: 13/12/2023 14:38:04 »
This video below is referenced by the video above.
Circuit Energy doesn't FLOW the way you THINK!
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Based on the laws of electrodynamics, energy cannot flow in the same direction as the electric current. According to the Poynting vector, electric power will flow anywhere there is both an electric field and a magnetic field. The consequences may surprise you.

Does Electricity REALLY Flow? (Electrodynamics)
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When charge moves, we call it electric current, but the word current is usually reserved for things like water flows. Does electric current really work like that? Electrons are quantum particles, so we have to be careful.
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Re: How does electricity propagate through conductors?
« Reply #2 on: 14/12/2023 01:54:37 »
There are response video from Electroboom.
How Wrong Is VERITASIUM? A Lamp and Power Line Story
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0:00 Veritasium?s question and answer, was he right?
3:51 Short review of Derek?s video
5:24 Poynting Vector, direction of power flow
9:05 Detailed analysis of Derek?s question, Transmission Lines
17:37 WATCH THIS PART!

How Right IS Veritasium?! Don't Electrons Push Each Other??
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Re: How does electricity propagate through conductors?
« Reply #3 on: 14/12/2023 10:13:30 »
These are response videos from other Youtubers.
I bought 1000 meters of wire to settle a physics debate
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I constructed the Veritasium electricity thought experiment in real life to test the result.

If you were watching my community posts a month ago, the day that Derek over on Veritasium posted his video about electricity misconceptions, you saw me obsess over that problem a bit too much and immediately use it as the excuse I've been looking for for years to own my own oscilloscope. Instead of two light-seconds of wire, I used about 3 light-microseconds of wire, but it was PLENTY to resolve exactly what is happening in this circuit. I hope you enjoy the analysis!

Thanks to Derek at Veritasium for his blessing to make a real-world version of his gedanken experiment. If you haven't seen his video yet, you might want to go watch that for context, and I also highly recommend ElectroBOOM's video on the topic and EEVBlog's video on the topic. Electroboom's video has some simulated scope traces extremely close to what I saw IRL, and a REALLY fantastic animation (8:27) of him waving an electron around in his hand, shedding magnetic fields as it moves (Even though I ignore magnetic fields in this video - I'm trying to think of a test to find out if they matter).

EEVblog 1439 - Analysing Veritasium's Electricity Misconceptions Video
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Dave analyses Veritasium's video "The Big Misconception About Electricity" and how energy flows in the Poynting vector in the electromagnetic field OUTSIDE the wire instead of inside the wire.


00:00 - Veritasium's video "The Big Misconception About Electricity"
00:32 - Rection to the points in the video
01:11 - This is a bit MISLEADING!
02:28 - Electron drift
03:51 - Engineers use different tools and theorems
04:27 - Every electrical engineer knows this
05:17 - Everything he says is correct
08:24 - What is current?
09:30 - He doesn't address this in the video. Poynting vectors at DC
11:12 - How the lightbulb works
12:41 - At the physics level, it's correct
14:11 - My only problem with this is...
15:08 - Is it just an academic discussion?
16:17 - The undersea cable is just early transmission line theory
17:20 - So what is the answer to the question?
22:06 - What about skin effect and DC?
25:44 - Let's simulate this and answer the question
29:18 - Transient analysis
33:00 - DC Steady State analysis
34:28 - The quantitative values don't matter
38:25 - But what about DC steady state?
40:24 - What does Richard Feynman think?
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Re: How does electricity propagate through conductors?
« Reply #4 on: 14/12/2023 10:17:20 »
The author of this recent video disagree with Veritasium's conclusion.
Deep Dive Historical Response to Veritasium?s DC Electricity Video
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In this video I use the history of electricity to respectively disagree with Derek Muller's physics puzzle on what happens in a DC circuit.
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Re: How does electricity propagate through conductors?
« Reply #5 on: 14/12/2023 10:23:56 »
This recent video shows clearly what happens in the propagation of electricity in a system of conductors.
Watch electricity hit a fork in the road at half a billion frames per second
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In this video, I measure a wave of electricity traveling down a wire, and answer the question - how does electricity know where to go? How does "electricity" "decide" where electrons should be moving in wires, and how long does that process take? Spoiler alert - very fast!

I've been very excited about this project for a while - it was a lot of work to figure out a reliable way to make these measurements, but I've learned SO much by actually watching waves travel down wires, and I hope you do too!
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