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Mechanics of comet motion
« on: 23/02/2024 06:45:22 »
Mechanics of comet motion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet

A comet is a satellite of a planet that fell out of the planet?s orbit during the new moon phase. Having left the planet's orbit, the satellite moves against the rotation of the Sun, due to which the centrifugal force of the satellite is reduced, and as a result, the satellite rushes towards the Sun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halley%27s_Comet
If the orbital speed of the satellite is greater than the orbital speed of the planet, then the satellite moves around the Sun in a retrograde orbit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_and_prograde_motion
The eccentricity of a comet's orbit can be calculated using the following formula.
E = Vp/Vs.
Jupiter's orbital speed is - 12 km/sec.
Io's orbital speed is 17 km/sec. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet
Perhaps Pluto is a comet that left the orbit of Neptune during the new moon phase.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto
In the new moon phase, when the orbital speed of the planet and the satellite are equal, the centrifugal force acting on the satellite from the Sun is zero.
The further a planet and its satellite are from the Sun, the greater the difference in their orbital speeds.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Solar-System-Moons-Separations-and-Radii_tbl1_256459609
Rotating around a common center of mass, the Earth and Moon pair are in resonance; when the Earth moves at aphelion, the resonance of the pair may increase. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance
Orbital inclination and eccentricity also reduce the stability of dwarf planet satellites.

Continuation: Forum of Akademgorodok Novosibirsk. The science. https://forum.academ.club/index.php?showtopic=1235578
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Re: The mechanism of comet formation
« Reply #1 on: 23/02/2024 10:27:39 »
Please rephrase as a question, and justify

Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 06:45:22
A comet is born when a planet's satellite breaks out of orbit during the new moon phase.

with an observed example
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Re: The mechanism of comet formation
« Reply #2 on: 23/02/2024 12:30:03 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 06:45:22
A comet is born when a planet's satellite breaks out of orbit during the new moon phase.
I don't think so. 
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 06:45:22
If the orbital speed of the satellite is higher than the orbital speed of the planet, then the comet begins to move around the Sun in a retrograde orbit.
I don't think so.

Why make things up, learning the real science behind things is much more interesting IMO. 
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Re: The mechanism of comet formation
« Reply #3 on: 23/02/2024 16:32:15 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/02/2024 10:27:39
Please rephrase as a question, and justify

Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 06:45:22
A comet is born when a planet's satellite breaks out of orbit during the new moon phase.

with an observed example
Having escaped from the planet's orbit, the satellite moves against the rotation of the Sun, due to which the centrifugal force of the satellite is reduced, and as a result the satellite rushes towards the Sun.
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Re: The mechanism of comet formation
« Reply #4 on: 23/02/2024 18:21:06 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 16:32:15
Having escaped from the planet's orbit, the satellite begins to move against the rotation of the Sun, due to which the centrifugal force of the satellite is reduced, and as a result the satellite rushes towards the Sun.
Nope.
Take the plunge and go ahead and learn some science; you might like it!
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Re: The mechanism of comet formation
« Reply #5 on: 24/02/2024 11:19:01 »
Quote from: Origin on 23/02/2024 18:21:06
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 16:32:15
Having escaped from the planet's orbit, the satellite begins to move against the rotation of the Sun, due to which the centrifugal force of the satellite is reduced, and as a result the satellite rushes towards the Sun.
Nope.
Take the plunge and go ahead and learn some science; you might like it!
Perhaps Pluto is a comet that left the orbit of Neptune during the new moon phase.
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #6 on: 24/02/2024 12:26:57 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 24/02/2024 11:19:01
Pluto moves in a highly elongated orbit; it is possible that Pluto was previously a satellite of Neptune.
Possible, but we do know for sure it isn't a comet.
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Re: The mechanism of comet formation
« Reply #7 on: 24/02/2024 15:14:55 »
Quote from: Origin on 23/02/2024 18:21:06
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2024 16:32:15
Having escaped from the planet's orbit, the satellite begins to move against the rotation of the Sun, due to which the centrifugal force of the satellite is reduced, and as a result the satellite rushes towards the Sun.
Nope.
Take the plunge and go ahead and learn some science; you might like it!
In the new moon phase, when the orbital speed of the planet and the satellite are equal, the centrifugal force acting on the satellite from the Sun is zero.
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #8 on: 24/02/2024 16:22:12 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 24/02/2024 15:14:55
If the orbital speeds of the planet and satellite are equal. Then, in the new moon phase, the centrifugal force acting on the satellite from the Sun is close to zero.
That doesn't seem to make any sense.  Is it at all possible for you to mathematically show this relationship?
An orbiting body is in free fall so your comment about centrifugal forces doesn't seem to apply. 
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #9 on: 25/02/2024 13:27:28 »
The Coriolis force of the Sun stretches the Moon's orbit along the Earth's orbit, causing the Moon's orbit to be circular rather than elongated toward the Sun.
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #10 on: 25/02/2024 13:51:22 »
The moon's path is pretty close to a tridecagon with rounded corners.
What would " elongated towards the Sun" mean in that context?
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #11 on: 25/02/2024 15:43:26 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 25/02/2024 13:27:28
I believe the Sun's Coriolis force is stretching the Moon's orbit along the Earth's orbit.
I believe that statement is so wrong it is somewhat humorous. 
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #12 on: 25/02/2024 15:54:41 »
This guy has been posting this stuff on other sites, and his posts and responses here are word for word what he's posted elsewhere.  So, all you're likely to get as a response is a copy and paste.
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #13 on: 26/02/2024 10:29:47 »
Quote from: Janus on 25/02/2024 15:54:41
This guy has been posting this stuff on other sites, and his posts and responses here are word for word what he's posted elsewhere.
What's wrong if a lot of people get a different opinion.
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Re: Mechanics of comet motion
« Reply #14 on: 26/02/2024 13:13:18 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/02/2024 10:29:47
Quote from: Janus on 25/02/2024 15:54:41
This guy has been posting this stuff on other sites, and his posts and responses here are word for word what he's posted elsewhere.
What's wrong if a lot of people get a different opinion.
It is against site terms. So warning: Do not post here what is posted elsewhere, and do not post outside of the 'lighter side' sections. This nonsense thread had to be moved from the main sections. It asked no questions and merely asserted absolute rubbish.

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