The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. On the Lighter Side
  3. New Theories
  4. What/who is god?
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: [1] 2   Go Down

What/who is god?

  • 22 Replies
  • 6692 Views
  • 0 Tags

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
What/who is god?
« on: 30/05/2024 09:59:31 »
Hi,

Life itself is god.

I think, therefore I am alive.

= = =
Here is Spinoza

The Atheist's God - The Paradox of Spinoza

- - -
Here are Ross and Phoebe

 - - -
Here is Jerry Fodor

17:50 Consciousness
Logged
 



Offline paul cotter

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 2320
  • Activity:
    31%
  • Thanked: 260 times
  • forum grump
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #1 on: 30/05/2024 13:47:09 »
You are in error, I am God.
Logged
Did I really say that?
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21159
  • Activity:
    68.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #2 on: 30/05/2024 17:44:12 »
The god of a devout believer is a figment of a defective imagination.

The god of a priest is a saleable product with no specification or warranty.

The god of a terrorist or crusader is an excuse for doing evil instead of having a healthy sex life.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #3 on: 01/06/2024 06:45:03 »
Hi,

A language has a word for god. That word is a point of view.

god is (what/who is god)


is the same as (works in the same manner)


es gibt (it gives) - there is - it has - ...

Logged
 

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #4 on: 01/06/2024 15:14:04 »
Hi,

People are fluent in their own language but most of them are not rational in it.

On the other hand, foreigners are more rational:
    I need to study another language - I need to study another "math".

- - -

Here is Anglish
https://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/anglish.htm

and

here is
Is English just badly pronounced French?

- - -

... (?!)
Logged
 



Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #5 on: 01/06/2024 16:15:19 »
...

Elephant in the room

A new state means a new language / a language reform.

Examples?

USA after American Revolutionary War;

Russia after 1917;

Turkey after ...

China after ...

...


In the beginning was the Word, ...
Logged
 

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #6 on: 01/06/2024 17:15:47 »
Hold on, hold on, ...

It is not just that meaning is re-worded - it is that words get another meaning.

Doublespeak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

-

Doublespeak
https://www.c-span.org/video/?10449-1/doublespeak
« Last Edit: 01/06/2024 17:18:29 by Eddie Mars »
Logged
 

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #7 on: 07/06/2024 09:47:27 »
. . .

One has a boss. The boss has a king (as a boss). The king has a god (as a boss).
/embedding/

One's boss is one's god (god is nothing special).

= = =

An actor has a director (as a boss). A director has a producer (as a boss). ...

Noises Off... (1992)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105017/

Cast: Michael Caine, ...

noises off 1992 michael caine

- - -

Sleuth (1972)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069281/

Cast: Laurence Olivier, Michael Caine, ...

/embedding, how deep goes each one's "game"/

Sleuth (1972)

- - -

Heist (2001)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252503/

Cast: Gene Hackman, Danny DeVito, ...

/embedding, how deep goes each one's "game"/

- - -

...
« Last Edit: 07/06/2024 11:21:14 by Eddie Mars »
Logged
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21159
  • Activity:
    68.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #8 on: 08/06/2024 19:22:01 »
Quote from: Eddie Mars on 07/06/2024 09:47:27
The king has a god (as a boss).
No, he hasn't.

Parasites like kings and priests invent an unaccountable, invisible, excuse for bad behavior and claim it gives them an unjustified authority and/or untestable wisdom that is denied to their chosen hosts/customers/subjects/victims.

The whole point of a sky fairy is that the hoi polloi can't see or comprehend it . Because it doesn't actually exist.

Anybody can see my boss and understand her instructions (though the reason behind them often defies logic - but that's another question). If I disobey, I won't go to Hell after my death - life becomes intolerable immediately!

The joy of a hereditary constitutional monarchy is that nobody really cares about the secret mumbo-jumbo of a coronation. The nominal Head of State is acknowledged and retains that post by common consent, and the faffing about in a cathedral is just a public demonstration of that consent.

Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 



Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21159
  • Activity:
    68.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #9 on: 08/06/2024 19:30:53 »
Quote from: Eddie Mars on 01/06/2024 15:14:04
Is English just badly pronounced French?
About half of it is, about half is German, and the rest is made up of whatever works - Celtic remnants, Arabic, Hindi, bits of Spanish, and lots of very bad Latin and Greek in scientific English.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline mxplxxx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 933
  • Activity:
    48.5%
  • Thanked: 5 times
  • There's such a lot of it around
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #10 on: 05/07/2024 12:46:17 »
God is the Cosmos, which is bounded by an infinitely large, infinitely concrete outer sphere and an infinitely small, infinitely abstract inner sphere.
Logged
Slow down, you move too fast
You got to make the morning last
 

Offline Bored chemist

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 31101
  • Activity:
    11%
  • Thanked: 1291 times
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #11 on: 05/07/2024 13:21:59 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 05/07/2024 12:46:17
God is the Cosmos, which is bounded by an infinitely large, infinitely concrete outer sphere and an infinitely small, infinitely abstract inner sphere.
Except on Tuesdays.
Logged
Please disregard all previous signatures.
 

Offline Origin

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 2248
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 210 times
  • Nothing of importance
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #12 on: 05/07/2024 21:25:58 »
In my worthless opinion God is a human construct, kind of like a Santa Claus for adults.
Logged
 



Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21159
  • Activity:
    68.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #13 on: 05/07/2024 22:24:08 »
Far from worthless, or even an opinion. You have stated a fact.
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #14 on: 13/07/2024 07:30:26 »
...

A space/society is equivalent to (a set of) rules/axioms.

Basic things are axioms stated as: there is A; A is'; ...

The creator/god can be perceived by creatures as the space itself (equivalent to) or not.

L'?tat, c'est moi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'%C3%89tat%2C_c'est_moi

- - -

Speaking about god on a forum/town square... looks more like politics.

- - -

 The State of Education | Yes, Prime Minister | BBC

-

A clear conscience - Yes, Prime Minister - BBC comedy

-

...
« Last Edit: 13/07/2024 08:11:38 by Eddie Mars »
Logged
 

Offline Eddie Mars (OP)

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 153
  • Activity:
    4%
  • Thanked: 3 times
  • Naked Science Forum Newbie
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #15 on: 15/07/2024 07:19:21 »
...

Society has been introduced.

- - -

God "gives" "natural" laws but also "gives" social laws ("the holy scriptures", "Vox Populi, Vox Dei", ...).
/god rules, ...

-

The Lord Giveth and the Lord Taketh Away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
/... creates and annihilates

The Prime Minister Giveth ...


-

the state (as a society)

Sir Humphrey Appleby on the Proper Function of Government


-

...

« Last Edit: 15/07/2024 07:40:45 by Eddie Mars »
Logged
 

Offline Origin

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 2248
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 210 times
  • Nothing of importance
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #16 on: 15/07/2024 13:55:33 »
Quote from: Eddie Mars on 15/07/2024 07:19:21
God "gives" "natural" laws but also "gives" social laws ("the holy scriptures", "Vox Populi, Vox Dei", ...).
/god rules, ...

-

The Lord Giveth and the Lord Taketh Away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
/... creates and annihilates
This thread is certainly not a new theory, it is mostly reciting religious text, so IMO it belongs in a nonscience sub.
Logged
 



Offline mxplxxx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 933
  • Activity:
    48.5%
  • Thanked: 5 times
  • There's such a lot of it around
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #17 on: 16/07/2024 04:11:46 »
God is the top (innermost) system of the abstraction hierarchy of systems that comprises this universe. i.e. He/she is the most abstract system in this universe, He/she has control over all the systems in this universe but, typically exercises that control via level 1 of the abstraction hierarchy (level 0 being occupied by a single system (God him/herself)). The Universe is continually expanding. God will die when/as the Universe dies (the heat death probably)).

God is only one of the many Gods in the Multiverse and has probably been created when the Universe started - probably via a singularity.

PS as all systems in the universe are inherited via a single base system, i.e... we are all a type of God (or, in other words, God is an ancestor)
« Last Edit: 16/07/2024 04:58:46 by mxplxxx »
Logged
Slow down, you move too fast
You got to make the morning last
 

Offline alancalverd

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 21159
  • Activity:
    68.5%
  • Thanked: 60 times
  • Life is too short for instant coffee
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #18 on: 16/07/2024 09:14:49 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 16/07/2024 04:11:46
God is only one of the many Gods in the Multiverse and has probably been created when the Universe started - probably via a singularity.
So what created the singularity? What being decided that there should be a god?
Logged
Helping stem the tide of ignorance
 

Offline mxplxxx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 933
  • Activity:
    48.5%
  • Thanked: 5 times
  • There's such a lot of it around
Re: What/who is god?
« Reply #19 on: 16/07/2024 09:49:08 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 16/07/2024 09:14:49
Quote from: mxplxxx on 16/07/2024 04:11:46
God is only one of the many Gods in the Multiverse and has probably been created when the Universe started - probably via a singularity.
So what created the singularity? What being decided that there should be a god?
God only knows😎
Logged
Slow down, you move too fast
You got to make the morning last
 



  • Print
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up
« previous next »
Tags:
 
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
  • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
    Privacy Policy
    SMFAds for Free Forums
  • Naked Science Forum ©

Page created in 0.416 seconds with 71 queries.

  • Podcasts
  • Articles
  • Get Naked
  • About
  • Contact us
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Subscribe to newsletter
  • We love feedback

Follow us

cambridge_logo_footer.png

©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.