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What is social (-ism) and what is capital (-ism)?
« on: 31/08/2025 15:42:53 »
What

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social (-ism)

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What

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capital (-ism)

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Sowell DESTROYS Socialist Myths ? Why Capitalism WINS Every Time


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Re: What is social (-ism) and what is capital (-ism)?
« Reply #1 on: 31/08/2025 23:01:36 »
Capitalism and Socialism are one dimension of a political spectrum. Both can be bad if taken to extremes:
- If you take all wealth from the general population and give it to the people owning Capital (eg owners of big manufacturing corporations), you leave most of the population in poverty, and nobody can buy manufactured goods (bad for everyone)
- If you take all wealth from the people owning Capital and distribute it among the population, you end up with no production capacity, leaving most of the population in poverty, and nobody can buy manufactured goods (bad for everyone).
- So it is a question of balance
- People like Henry Ford understood this balance: He paid his workers enough so they could aspire to owning one of the cars they manufactured.

That is not the only dimension of politics. There are other important dimensions like:
- Democracy vs Despotism,
- Individual Freedom vs Police State,
- State sponsored Education & Medicine vs Everyone fends for themselves,
- Freedom of the press vs Government secrecy, etc
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Re: What is social (-ism) and what is capital (-ism)?
« Reply #2 on: 01/09/2025 17:40:19 »

Thank you very much, evan_au,


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Being There (1979).
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Thomas Sowell
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Thanks again!

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Re: What is social (-ism) and what is capital (-ism)?
« Reply #3 on: 02/09/2025 15:52:34 »
Quote from: evan_au on 31/08/2025 23:01:36
So it is a question of balance

I agree

here some parts of my - Gregory Podgorniak, Sociological theory about this problem:
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31. Correct and incorrect social processes can be distinguished. Nowadays, incorrect social processes include the creation and existence of totalitarian, communist and Nazi systems. The rise and existence of, among others, the Soviet Union and communist China. For example, the center of Shanghai can be considered an example of the most developed ultramodern architecture (see google, Shanghai, images), but this effect was obtained as a result of an incorrect social process. Therefore, it would be better if this city center was not built at all, and the appropriate development should take place within the framework of normal democratic systems. However, the example of Shanghai shows that governments with large state participation (alongside the free market) may turn out to be a beneficial phenomenon. But today's China can be considered an example of one of the worst and most bandit states in the entire world. The best state is one in which the share of the free market, free economy and liberalism occupies half of the state structure, while the other half is occupied by the state, so it is a half-and-half division.

(year 2023)

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33. Quote from paragraph 31: "However, the example of Shanghai shows that governments with large state participation (alongside the free market) may turn out to be a beneficial phenomenon... The best state is one in which the share of the free market, free economy, and liberalism occupies half of the state structure, while the other half is occupied by the state, so it is a half-and-half division."
Thus, a socialist-capitalist state would be the optimal state model. With half the socialist part participating and the other half with the capitalist part. However, it would not be a communist-capitalist state, i.e., like today's China, where, incidentally, the state's involvement is excessive. Communism turned out to be a completely failed social experiment and a major disaster, as demonstrated by the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries of Europe. Communism turned out to be bankrupt, and let's hope it will also go bankrupt in China and North Korea. Socialism is a different story, and it doesn't have to be left-wing socialism. One can imagine right-wing socialism, and not extreme right-wing socialism, but moderate. Socialism alone is of course not enough, the state cannot be entirely socialist, capitalism's participation is desirable, and to a broad extent.
Thus, we would have a 50/50 split: half the state and socialism, the other half the free market and capitalism. Regarding cognitive theory and its possible connection to the proposed state model, the brain model may provide some guidance. As we know, the brain consists of two hemispheres, the right and left, both of which are equally important and necessary. Therefore, the structure of the state could be shaped similarly to the structure of the brain. This would indicate that the proposed 50/50 state model would be the most natural and likely optimal model. It would refer to the natural structure, the model of which is one of the essential elements of the proposed sociological theory.

(year 2025)

Gregory Podgorniak, Poland
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Re: What is social (-ism) and what is capital (-ism)?
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 18:20:53 »
So socialism is not communism. Communism is bankrupt. And socialism has certain prospects, of course, in a balanced combination with capitalism.
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Re: What is social (-ism) and what is capital (-ism)?
« Reply #5 on: Today at 05:06:24 »
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Raymond Chandler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Chandler


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Biography


/the 4th paragraph

After the armistice, he returned to Los Angeles by way of Vancouver, and soon began a love affair with Pearl Eugenie ("Cissy") Pascal, a married woman 18 years his senior and the stepmother of Gordon Pascal, with whom Chandler had enlisted. Cissy amicably divorced her husband, Julian, in 1920, but Chandler's mother disapproved of the relationship and refused to sanction the marriage. For the next four years Chandler supported both his mother and Cissy. After the death of Florence Chandler on September 26, 1923, he was free to marry Cissy. They were married on February 6, 1924.
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Heart Wants What It Wants: Definition, Meaning, and Origin
https://usdictionary.com/idioms/heart-wants-what-it-wants/



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complementarity (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=complementarity


complementary (adj.)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/complementary


completeness (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=completeness



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consistency (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=Consistency

Consistency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistency





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BEING THERE (1979): THE MEANING OF THE FINAL SCENE



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