[RD]

What IS a ACCURATE picture then?

https://data.oecd.org/pop/elderly-population.htm

Even Gary Null's paper which you cited, acknowledges that the proportion of society who are elderly has increased, (see attached).

That the elderly demographic has increased is strong evidence that healthcare is effective : if physicians & Big Pharma did more harm than good, (as you & Gary claim), people would be less likely to make it to the old-folks-home, when in reality, more and more of society become senior-citizens.

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What IS a ACCURATE picture then?

https://data.oecd.org/pop/elderly-population.htm

Even Gary Null's paper which you cited, acknowledges that the proportion of society who are elderly has increased, (see attached).

That the elderly demographic has increased is strong evidence that healthcare is effective : if physicians & Big Pharma did more harm than good, (as you & Gary claim), people would be less likely to make it to the old-folks-home, when in reality, more and more of society become senior-citizens.

I never said more harm then good.i only talked about the number of deaths which might be small in percentage terms but is very large in absolute numbers.The elderly demographic is beside the point.
In fact I could argue the elderly demographic would be even better if 700000 people were not killed by doctors,hospitals and side effects of medicines.

you tried to smear Gary Null by quoting pedia sites which can easily be made and set up and edited by anyone.

Then you failed to mention the 152 references which supported his work by focusing on personal attacks on him.We all make mistakes and takes things we should not.Have you ever been to a hospital A & E?

33000 people killed in the USA by taking opioids last year prescribed by doctors who get kickbacks.

How many 9/11 is that? No wall to wall media coverage about that.

Who's fault is that?

Strangely you accept Fred Hoyle who was a racist:-

i quote "At one point in his somewhat rambling discourse he digressed into the subject of the sporting abilities of different racial groups. His first assertion was that black people (by which he meant people of African origin) do not make good swimmers because their bones are too dense and the consequent lack of buoyancy is a significant disadvantage. “Have you ever seen a black swimmer in the Olympics?” he asked. None of us had, of course, but couldn’t that be because of other reasons such as lack of access to swimming pools? No. Fred was adamant. It was down to biology. I assumed he knew what he was talking about, so kept quiet.

He went on to argue that black people were also disadvantaged at tennis – not because of social factors limiting access to tennis courts – but for reasons of “poor hand-eye coordination” which he also asserted to be an inherited characteristic.

And i dont see you rejecting transistors because Shockly was a racist:-
i quote :-
"He responded to a question as to whether black people are intellectually inferior because of their racial heredity with the following statement:

   "" My research leads me inescapably to the opinion that the major cause of the American Negro's intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin and, thus, not remediable to a major degree by practical improvements in the environment""

Shockley's published writings and lectures to scientific organizations on this topic were partly based on the writings of psychologist Cyril Burt and were funded by the Pioneer Fund. Shockley also proposed that individuals with IQs below 100 be paid to undergo voluntary sterilization.[34]"

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The title of the topic is, can terrorism trigger our collective consciousness? The answer would be yes, if we were all exposed to terrorism, at the same time as part of reality. As an analogy, say millions of people go through a large hurricane that creates a lot of damage over several days. There is a common real time fear and feeling of helplessness, that reinforces a collective mood associated with the disaster. All the collective can relate and understand the pain and needs due to common personal experience.

In the case of terrorism, terrorism tends to be physically restricted in space and time, such that few people, by comparison, are there in real time to form that same collective bond over large groups of people. In this case, the terrorist act is emulated, for a wider audience, using media hype, expert analysis and a constant video replay, to approximate wide scale reality.

A good example of this affect was the movie, Jaws, which was about a great white shark that terrorized a sleepy New England beach front community. Although very few people on earth have even seen, never mind have been bitten by a great white shark, the emulation of a shark attack created by the movie, for a wide audience, was able to trigger a collective fear, without being based on individual or collective reality.

In the case of people dying in hospitals, this form of death is spread out over the year and over space, and does not impact large groups of people in a concentrate ways, all at the same time,  to help the collective synchronize emotions. At the same time, the media is not emulating death by hospital to trigger a collective fear. This may be due, in part, to their own doctor programming, which attempts to sell doctors who can cure anything in a one hour format. The collective sell of fear could be counter productive to their own doctor programming template, which has a connection to second type of collective consciousness; hero worship. Ultimately the big bucks in media is in selling second rate political candidates, as first class statesmen, each election cycle. Billions of dollars will be spent. A hero template is a good foundation for this.

Part of the reason so little gets done in Washington, is de to the selling of collective mythology, where second rate leaders are sold as miracle workers. It does not jive with reality, in terms of job performance and the efficiency of government. Trump is real in terms of job performance, but he is painted as the mythological tricker and villain, responsible for all things that go wrong by ignorance and choice. One has to put aside the emotions and look at the data so one can leave the mob mentality of fear or hero worship and become objective.

In terms of scaled up real disaster like hurricanes, the driving force for the collective mentality is emotions, which is what the left has been trying give center stage to, for decades. This education push has helped the media emulation. Thinking skills are counter productive to the collective triggers, both natural and manmade, since thought can regulate the stray emotions, and allows one to leave the mob. The left appears far more vulnerable due to the emotion first educational system that allows for revisionist history to cloud the mind for facts.

[RD]

you tried to smear Gary Null by quoting pedia sites which can easily be made and set up and edited by anyone.

The 'pedias contain links where you can verify the facts of the matter, e.g. that Gary accidentally poisoned himself with his own product ... http://www.casewatch.org/civil/null/complaint.shtml, (and changed his story when he realized others had also been poisoned). 

33000 people killed in the USA by taking opioids last year prescribed by doctors ...

#1. They died by their own hand.  It's not in the financial-interest of doctors to "kill" their customers.
#2. Context : the population of America is >300 million, whose life-expectancy is getting longer & longer ...

... prescribed by doctors who get kickbacks ...

There are anti-kick back laws in the USA … https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1320a-7b , (see … “Illegal remunerations”).
If you have evidence of any particular American doctor receiving kick-backs, report them. If you don't have such evidence, then you're the one guilty of smearing.

You're just spreading fear uncertainty and doubt, about the medical profession, which is good for Gary and other snake-oil-sellers, but what you're doing is harmful to the general population.

If anyone wants an accurate overview as to the efficacy of the medical profession in their country, the slope on the national life-expectancy graph tells you all you need to know.

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you tried to smear Gary Null by quoting pedia sites which can easily be made and set up and edited by anyone.

The 'pedias contain links where you can verify the facts of the matter, e.g. that Gary accidentally poisoned himself with his own product ... http://www.casewatch.org/civil/null/complaint.shtml, (and changed his story when he realized others had also been poisoned). 

33000 people killed in the USA by taking opioids last year prescribed by doctors ...

#1. They died by their own hand.  It's not in the financial-interest of doctors to "kill" their customers.
#2. Context : the population of America is >300 million, whose life-expectancy is getting longer & longer ...

... prescribed by doctors who get kickbacks ...

There are anti-kick back laws in the USA … https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1320a-7b , (see … “Illegal remunerations”).
If you have evidence of any particular American doctor receiving kick-backs, report them. If you don't have such evidence, then you're the one guilty of smearing.

You're just spreading fear uncertainty and doubt, about the medical profession, which is good for Gary and other snake-oil-sellers, but what you're doing is harmful to the general population.

If anyone wants an accurate overview as to the efficacy of the medical profession in their country, the slope on the national life-expectancy graph tells you all you need to know.

#1. They died by their own hand.  It's not in the financial-interest of doctors to "kill" their customers.

NO.doctors have a duty of care not give drugs which could harm or kill

#2. Context : the population of America is >300 million, whose life-expectancy is getting longer & longer ...

That is irrelevant.In any case many of these opiods victims are young.

Alcoholics poison themselves everyday.So do drug addicts.
Me smearing anyone? Don't need to.It's public knowlege.

Glaxosmithkline fined for $3 BILLION for bribing doctors.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/03/glaxosmithkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals

The pharmaceutical group GlaxoSmithKline has been fined $3bn (£1.9bn) after admitting bribing doctors and encouraging the prescription of unsuitable antidepressants to children. Glaxo is also expected to admit failing to report safety problems with the diabetes drug Avandia in a district court in Boston on Thursday.

The company encouraged sales reps in the US to mis-sell three drugs to doctors and lavished hospitality and kickbacks on those who agreed to write extra prescriptions, including trips to resorts in Bermuda, Jamaica and California.

The company admitted corporate misconduct over the antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and asthma drug Advair.

Psychiatrists and their partners were flown to five-star hotels, on all-expenses-paid trips where speakers, paid up to $2,500 to attend, gave presentations on the drugs. They could enjoy diving, golf, fishing and other extra activities arranged by the company.

GSK also paid for articles on its drugs to appear in medical journals and "independent" doctors were hired by the company to promote the treatments, according to court documents.

Paxil – which was only approved for adults – was promoted as suitable for children and teenagers by the company despite trials that showed it was ineffective, according to prosecutors....


And that is just the tip of the iceberg.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/is-your-doctor-getting-drug-kickbacks/

Doctors are making money – LOTS of money for prescribing drugs to you and your family. Chemotherapy kickbacks are the worst. How much are they getting? Check out the detailed infographic below for the shocking statistics. This revenue windfall absolutely has the potential to sway prescribing decisions. Any doctor who claims otherwise is in La La Land.

The practice of drug kickbacks to doctors is a big reason for....

just google :- usa doctors kickbacks

Thousands of different articles by different sources on kickbacks.

Even I was SHOCKED and HORRIFIED.

[RD]

NO.doctors have a duty of care not give drugs which could harm or kill

Many medicines “could harm or kill” if taken in excess,
(e.g. anti-arrhythmics, anti-hypertensives, anti-convulsants, insulin, etc),
 does that mean they should never be prescribed ?
It's the dose that makes the poison

… In any case many of these opiods victims are young.

Young people dying will particularly impact average-life-expectancy :
a young death will bring down the average more than an middle-aged person's death.

just google :- usa doctors kickbacks
Thousands of different articles by different sources on kickbacks.

Here are some of the sources you have cited ...
http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/302-gary-null.html
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/thehealthyhomeeconomist.com
You don't seem to be able to recognize reliable sources of information.

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NO.doctors have a duty of care not give drugs which could harm or kill

Many medicines “could harm or kill” if taken in excess,
(e.g. anti-arrhythmics, anti-hypertensives, anti-convulsants, insulin, etc),
 does that mean they should never be prescribed ?
It's the dose that makes the poison

… In any case many of these opiods victims are young.

Young people dying will particularly impact average-life-expectancy :
a young death will bring down the average more than an middle-aged person's death.

just google :- usa doctors kickbacks
Thousands of different articles by different sources on kickbacks.

Here are some of the sources you have cited ...
http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/302-gary-null.html
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/thehealthyhomeeconomist.com
You don't seem to be able to recognize reliable sources of information.

The guardian too...

you forgot the 152 references quoted.

How do you have a reliable source of death?