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How is wavelength perceived in freefall?

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How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« on: 15/04/2017 08:13:20 »
If an observer is in freefall in vacuum how would they perceive the shift in wavelength of light sources from different gravitational potentials to their own? What equations would be needed to calculate this?
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #1 on: 15/04/2017 13:33:38 »
Now that's a good question! Actually our latest question of the week looked at something a bit similar. It discussed the sound made by a falling bomb, and why Hollywood have been hoodwinking us for decades:

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-do-bombs-make-whistle-sound-they-fall

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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #2 on: 16/04/2017 21:11:35 »
Can Rindler coordinates be used in this situation?
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #3 on: 17/04/2017 00:52:31 »
For more information see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #4 on: 17/04/2017 12:31:57 »
You could start here:
Special Relativity (velocity effects): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect
General Relativity (gravitation effects): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #5 on: 17/04/2017 13:24:04 »
While those are useful, I am currently looking at rain coordinates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullstrand%E2%80%93Painlev%C3%A9_coordinates
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #6 on: 17/04/2017 15:54:13 »
Don't really know how you set that into Gullstrand–PainlevĂ© coordinates, but, maybe, you could start with looking at Lorentz-invariant theory of gravitation   All of it is observer dependent but you have those LorentzFitzgerald equations joining different frames of reference. Should be a possibility here.
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Don't read this as I agree with all that is written there though, but it discuss what you're interested in. Another possibility is using GR for it, which is a rather advanced concept and as I would expect, rather difficult. General Relativity PHY-5-GenRel U01429 16 lectures    

 
« Last Edit: 17/04/2017 16:11:26 by yor_on »
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #7 on: 17/04/2017 17:18:18 »
Weird, my answer disappeared almost as I logged out, got cut after the mess telling people that you can't follow the links unless you register? Also Jeffrey, I was thinking of it in terms of trying to get to a 'universal expression' aka Lorentz transformations. Are you thinking about how to calculate a frequency at one particular time, being in one gravitational potential, observing another?
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Re: How is wavelength perceived in freefall?
« Reply #8 on: 18/04/2017 12:24:02 »
Keep it up yor_on. It is good to be reminded of the alternatives to keep you on a steady course.
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