[talanum1 (OP)]

You just don't want to accept the logical argument
You haven't got close to presenting one.

Here is the argument:

1 Spacetime exists                                                          Fact
2 Time exists                                                                   Fact
3 Space coupled to time exists and = Spacetime           Fact
4 Space is nothing                                                           Assumption
5 Nothing coupled to time exists and = Spacetime         3, 4
6 5 is a contradiction -> 4 is false.                                   5

[Kartazion]

Here is the argument:
...
4 Space is nothing                                                           Assumption
5 Nothing coupled to time exists and = Spacetime         3, 4
6 5 is a contradiction -> 4 is false.                                   5

Nothing is nothing and space is something. Indeed, you can determine the space to an area and is necessarily something. So yes you are right 4 is false because space is something.

And '5' Nothing coupled to time exists and = Spacetime . The answer is only time.

[Bored chemist]

You just don't want to accept the logical argument
You haven't got close to presenting one.

Here is the argument:

1 Spacetime exists                                                          Fact
2 Time exists                                                                   Fact
3 Space coupled to time exists and = Spacetime           Fact
4 Space is nothing                                                           Assumption
5 Nothing coupled to time exists and = Spacetime         3, 4
6 5 is a contradiction -> 4 is false.                                   5

Did you notice how none of the lines in your of your "argument" even mentioned points?
Were you hoping that nobody else would notice?

Seriously, why do you post this trash?

[puppypower]

My model predicts there should be a little Energy missing in pi-minus decay. Is this possible?

If there was an entropy increase, during the reaction, then energy would be absorbed by the  entropy increase. The second laws states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. This implies the energy that goes into the entropy increase, will not be net re-usable or else the second law would not be valid. This energy would be conserved, but not in a reusable way. It would appear to us as lost energy, for all practical purposes.

Entropy is a measurable variable. It is not an abstraction. It was originally noticed during the development of steam engines. When they did an energy balance, there was always lost energy that could not be accounted for based on known inputs and outputs. The term entropy was used to describe this conserved, by lost energy, due to the second law.

Entropy increase 2nd law, and lost energy is why there is no perpetual motion. The lost energy that goes into an entropy increase, cannot be retrieved without creating even more lost energy. This limits all efficiency to less that 100%. Our universe, which is governed by the second law, is bleeding energy, that is conserved, but not net reusable; lost energy. Our universe is not a perpetual motion machine as implied by physics models such as a cyclic universe. The entropy increase, driven by the second law is bleeding the universe of its free energy and creating a pool of conserved but lost energy, that is no longer part of the practical or useable energy balance of the material universe.

This lost but conserved energy can be understood as connected to the information associated with states of matter. Entropy was found to be a state variable, meaning any given state of matter has a fixed amount of entropy. Water at 25C and 1 Atm, for example, has a fixed amount of entropy per mole of water that is always the same no matter how you measure it. Interestingly, the interaction of the atoms of water, in the aqueous continuum, at those specific conditions is modeled with wave and probability functions. Although these models describe random processes, the sum of all these random things always adds up to a constant amount of entropy. A constant amount of lost energy; entropy, can sustain all this randomness and also make it all add up to a constant. There can be give and take, here and there due to random events, but the sum will always lead to a constant amount of entropy. Entropy and its lost energy allows order to lead the realm of chaos.   

Entropy based information/energy creates order in chaos which we call distinct states of matter. This is a type of dynamic information process that integrates, allowing persistence, so higher states can form from previous states, as entropy increases via the 2nd law. This information is not easily used as a practical energy source, since it exists somewhere between order and chaos. Most useable energy is based on order or chaos, but not both.

This pool of energy-information appears to be the basis for our quantum universe; both order and random. An atomic orbital has uncertainty, but always implies a fixed state. The lost energy helps to maintain this quantum state, so we can build upon it. If the atomic orbital was only due to random events, it would shift with time. It needs an ordering principle with teeth; herding dog that keeps the sheep moving in the same time and space line. This makes use of the lost energy.

To fully retrieve the lost energy would cause randomness to lead. The universe would fall apart right down to the smallest states of matter.  Luckily the pool of lost energy  is always increasing over time; 2nd law, allowing entropic control over previous states, while also evolving into higher states, such as life. The DNA is cool in that it has memories of its previous states of evolution. This helps it to grow from a platform of simple but persistent chemical states.

[Kryptid]

Does your model predict the same missing mass anomaly for pi plus mesons? If not, then it's very likely that scientists would have noticed a discrepancy between the decays and would have said something about it.

[Bored chemist]

My model predicts there should be a little Energy missing in pi-minus decay. Is this possible?

If there was an entropy increase... yada yada yada

Entropy (like temperature) is only meaningful for an ensemble of particles and thus it does not apply to the discussion in this thread.
Please do not randomly stuff your misguided ideas into other threads.

[talanum1 (OP)]

Does your model predict the same missing mass anomaly for pi plus mesons?

Yes, it predicts the same missing mass anomaly.

[Kartazion]

Yes, it predicts the same missing mass anomaly.

The pion pi is a meson.

[Kartazion]

Is there Missing Energy in Pi-minus Decay?

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Particles/piondec.html

[talanum1 (OP)]

The anti-neutrino presence is determined by the electron presence and missing energy. So what's needed is a method to measure the energy of the anti-neutrino.

[Kryptid]

If any energy (and thus momentum) was missing, we'd probably know about it (much as missing momentum led to the discovery of the neutrino).

[talanum1 (OP)]

If any energy (and thus momentum) was missing, we'd probably know about it

We won't know about it since any missing energy would just be ascribed to the anti-neutrino. I won't believe there is no missing energy until the energy of the anti-neutrino can be measured.

[Bored chemist]

If any energy (and thus momentum) was missing, we'd probably know about it

We won't know about it since any missing energy would just be ascribed to the anti-neutrino. I won't believe there is no missing energy until the energy of the anti-neutrino can be measured.

You might as well say that you belie that the excess energy is carried off by unicorns and that you will believe in the unicorns until we prove that they don't exist.

[talanum1 (OP)]

This is for that member that laughs bout the energy of space points. See:

At time stamp 12:03.

[Bored chemist]

This is for that member that laughs bout the energy of space points. See:

Did you notice that he didn't talk about space points?

[Kartazion]

This is for that member that laughs bout the energy of space points. See:

...video...

At time stamp 12:03.

The partitioning of space is imaginary and can be represented by the graduation. The graduation is imaginary to measure the space whereas the point would be a mass in the space.

Not to be confused with vacuum energy.

[talanum1 (OP)]

Space exists because it is what you get from slices of spacetime at instances in time. See:

at timestamp: 5:10.

[Bored chemist]

Space exists because it is what you get from slices of spacetime at instances in time. See:



at timestamp: 5:10.

Did you notice that he didn't talk about space points?