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Offline evan_au

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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #20 on: 26/09/2019 11:59:16 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif
they didn't find anything significant in Their Google Scholar  section
You said it well - your theory isn't anything significant.
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #21 on: 26/09/2019 19:43:26 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 26/09/2019 06:46:55
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 00:31:55
If you want something that is more scientifically believable, try Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/

This indexes material that people find more academically credible.
In contrary , Google found a valuable new theory in a forum " The naked scientist forum" , and they didn't find anything significant in Their Google Scholar  section, you have to understand what a first site with quotes above it means.
Apart from anything else, you have a circular argument.
You say
"My idea is good because Google cites it" and you also say
"Google cites my theory because it is good".

Do you not see the problem there?
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #22 on: 26/09/2019 21:55:03 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif
you have to understand what a first site with quotes above it means
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).

Statistically, it is very likely that no-one else in the world has put those exact same words in exactly that sequence in the age of the internet.

Now, your string is just 7 words long: "Does gravity have a limited distance range?". For a quoted search, Google says:
Quote from: Google, quoted search
5 results (0.21 seconds)
When you quote a string of text in a Google search, Google looks those exact same words in exactly that sequence. If it exists anywhere on the public internet, Google will find and display it. (By the way, your result is not listed among them, in Australia.)

At this level, Google is just doing a word search: You type in a unique sequence of words, and it finds that unique sequence of words. Google places no credibility on whether these are pearls of wisdom, or utter drivel.

However, Google has an amazing innovation that allowed it to take over internet search: The Page Rank algorithm (a play on the author's name, Larry Page). To understand what Google is, you should read/listen to the podcast link below.
 
Quote from: Internet History Podcast
As [Page] mulled over the idea with Brin, their shared upbringing as the children of academics kicked in. Larry and Sergey knew the power of the academic citation.

Effectively, if other people think a web page is worthwhile, and link to it ("cites it"), then the ranking goes up.
- So if you put in a non-unique string of words (eg not quoted), out of the millions or billions of matching pages, Google will present you with an ordered list of those that PageRank considers are most valuable on the internet.

Put in your search again, without the quotes, and see how many pages match. Then see where your page comes in the list.
Quote from: Google, non-quoted search
About 48,700,000 results (0.58 seconds)
- There are more factors in the Google algorithm now (including advertising), but that is how Google started

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they didn't find anything significant in Their Google Scholar  section
Google Scholar was a more recent addition to Google, around 2004. It mostly searches peer-reviewed journals, thesis reports, patents and court cases - documents that have had some form of peer review to sort out the pearls from the drivel.
- It also counts citations of other documents in other peer-reviewed articles
- That is a pretty high bar to reach for your new theory

Even "Does Turkey have a special trade relation with the EU?: A gravity model approach" has 154 citations, which is 154 more than your theory.

To understand something of how Google search works, Read or Listen: http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2017/04/the-history-of-google/
PS: It's worth listening to the podcast for the classic dial-up modem in the intro!

Note: If you then start creating lots of links to your own theory, then you know you have lost it - and Google knows too!
« Last Edit: 26/09/2019 22:43:40 by evan_au »
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #23 on: 30/09/2019 17:43:08 »
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 21:55:03
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif
you have to understand what a first site with quotes above it means
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).

Statistically, it is very likely that no-one else in the world has put those exact same words in exactly that sequence in the age of the internet.

Now, your string is just 7 words long: "Does gravity have a limited distance range?". For a quoted search, Google says:
Quote from: Google, quoted search
5 results (0.21 seconds)
When you quote a string of text in a Google search, Google looks those exact same words in exactly that sequence. If it exists anywhere on the public internet, Google will find and display it. (By the way, your result is not listed among them, in Australia.)

At this level, Google is just doing a word search: You type in a unique sequence of words, and it finds that unique sequence of words. Google places no credibility on whether these are pearls of wisdom, or utter drivel.

However, Google has an amazing innovation that allowed it to take over internet search: The Page Rank algorithm (a play on the author's name, Larry Page). To understand what Google is, you should read/listen to the podcast link below.
 
Quote from: Internet History Podcast
As [Page] mulled over the idea with Brin, their shared upbringing as the children of academics kicked in. Larry and Sergey knew the power of the academic citation.

Effectively, if other people think a web page is worthwhile, and link to it ("cites it"), then the ranking goes up.
- So if you put in a non-unique string of words (eg not quoted), out of the millions or billions of matching pages, Google will present you with an ordered list of those that PageRank considers are most valuable on the internet.

Put in your search again, without the quotes, and see how many pages match. Then see where your page comes in the list.
Quote from: Google, non-quoted search
About 48,700,000 results (0.58 seconds)
- There are more factors in the Google algorithm now (including advertising), but that is how Google started

Quote
they didn't find anything significant in Their Google Scholar  section
Google Scholar was a more recent addition to Google, around 2004. It mostly searches peer-reviewed journals, thesis reports, patents and court cases - documents that have had some form of peer review to sort out the pearls from the drivel.
- It also counts citations of other documents in other peer-reviewed articles
- That is a pretty high bar to reach for your new theory

Even "Does Turkey have a special trade relation with the EU?: A gravity model approach" has 154 citations, which is 154 more than your theory.

To understand something of how Google search works, Read or Listen: http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2017/04/the-history-of-google/
PS: It's worth listening to the podcast for the classic dial-up modem in the intro!

Note: If you then start creating lots of links to your own theory, then you know you have lost it - and Google knows too!
All this is non-sense .
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #24 on: 30/09/2019 21:01:00 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 30/09/2019 17:43:08
All this is non-sense .

So how do you think a Google search works then?
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #25 on: 30/09/2019 21:08:28 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 30/09/2019 17:43:08
All this is non-sense .
In what way?

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

https://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/search/howsearchworks/
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #26 on: 04/10/2019 08:54:31 »
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 21:55:03
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).
It reminds me if I want to know what forums I'm a member of, I just Google "Monox D. I-Fly" in quotes since all my forum accounts use that username (or "Monoxdifly" if the forums can only accept alphanumerical characters), and no one else uses that one.
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #27 on: 04/10/2019 18:03:21 »
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on 04/10/2019 08:54:31
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 21:55:03
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).
It reminds me if I want to know what forums I'm a member of, I just Google "Monox D. I-Fly" in quotes since all my forum accounts use that username (or "Monoxdifly" if the forums can only accept alphanumerical characters), and no one else uses that one.
I now plan to register with some "interesting" sites under the name "Monoxdifly"
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #28 on: 08/02/2020 06:53:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/10/2019 18:03:21
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on 04/10/2019 08:54:31
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 21:55:03
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).
It reminds me if I want to know what forums I'm a member of, I just Google "Monox D. I-Fly" in quotes since all my forum accounts use that username (or "Monoxdifly" if the forums can only accept alphanumerical characters), and no one else uses that one.
I now plan to register with some "interesting" sites under the name "Monoxdifly"
Now, now... I see you are really a BORED chemist...
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #29 on: 08/02/2020 11:36:15 »
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on 08/02/2020 06:53:56
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/10/2019 18:03:21
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on 04/10/2019 08:54:31
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 21:55:03
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).
It reminds me if I want to know what forums I'm a member of, I just Google "Monox D. I-Fly" in quotes since all my forum accounts use that username (or "Monoxdifly" if the forums can only accept alphanumerical characters), and no one else uses that one.
I now plan to register with some "interesting" sites under the name "Monoxdifly"
Now, now... I see you are really a BORED chemist...
So, which sites did you find yourself on?
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Re: My new theory has been recognized by Google
« Reply #30 on: 10/02/2020 07:09:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/02/2020 11:36:15
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on 08/02/2020 06:53:56
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/10/2019 18:03:21
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on 04/10/2019 08:54:31
Quote from: evan_au on 26/09/2019 21:55:03
Take a random section of something you wrote, say 10-15 words (something original, not reciting a nursery rhyme).
It reminds me if I want to know what forums I'm a member of, I just Google "Monox D. I-Fly" in quotes since all my forum accounts use that username (or "Monoxdifly" if the forums can only accept alphanumerical characters), and no one else uses that one.
I now plan to register with some "interesting" sites under the name "Monoxdifly"
Now, now... I see you are really a BORED chemist...
So, which sites did you find yourself on?
On the other hand, if I did find it then I know what your weird fetishes are.
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