[GOD]

why people believe in me is, well, beyond me. Amen.

I am GOD..You are Not..I don't exist !!

[Raedon]

My 1 cent.. and you may want a refund..

 Believe whatever you want but don't step up to people and tell them, "you have issues because I am right and you are wrong."

  You know, I don't care if my neighbor worships 20 gods or none at all as long as they don't judge me on what I feel is the right path to the end of me.

  NASA keeps pissing me off with their complete lack of skills because of poor hiring practices while Google puts the brighter minds into cubicles.  Do bitch about? no..

  I moved into an appartment once and my new niehbor came over to say hello and to bring a pie.  She asked me what church I went to so I told her I didn't go.  Well I'll be damned if she didn't walk away from my door, food in hand as she whispered LOAD enough for me to hear, "why do we always get the monkey lovers out here."  This is the same woman who called her black cat Nigger.



monkey hit wall.. wall real, monkey real.

[Raedon]

quote:Originally posted by Ylide


Stop trying to compare belief in science to belief in religion.  They aren't even close.

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Actually Evolution is considered a religion.  It's based on faith and not facts but there it is, in even the most basic school books.  I think the theory holds up sometimes, but I've never seen a fossil record of a Dog making a non-Dog.

  So really Science and Religion are like sister and brother..  

1) Jesus was a healer, not some powerful god.  He spoke his mind and poof!  Jesus was a humanitarian.

2) Science flip flops all the time, even Hawking is pushing facts then hanging his head in shame.

3) almost all Science area's need a UFT to hold up as fact.  Religion is wrong, but at least they got their bible.  Yellow and Blue make green is cool, but I don't really care.

4) So much has been done wrong in the name of Christianity that anyone who can pick up a history book should never step into a church.

5) Church's offer Daycare for a reason, no one should be allowed into a church until they are 18.  I'm so tired of seeing these kids that say, "well, if it's wrong I'm not going to hell so I go."  It's like they were never told Santa Clause wasn't real.

   .


monkey hit wall.. wall real, monkey real.

[Titanscape]

Sinners are going to Hell, (not necessarily) but it is like saying there is a dimension you can't see in which there is a war being waged like WW2 you are hated by one side and loved by the other. One or the other will take you, like Nazis and Allies, Japs or Aussies as if you were in Singapore... You can't see it but the papers tell you it is there.

It is a struggle but more so a matter of legalism, for as a Christian I say that Jesus won on the cross the whole battle and Paul calls our fight a good fight. It is won. If you accept Christ your His your saved, He enforces the right, the others are weak and can only make legal pionts.

Titanscape

[Corbeille]

How about adding a "Science discussion forum" to this website?

you can't crack me I'm a rubber duck!

[Elastic]

Evolution is not a religion. It is based on facts. It has absolutely nothing to do with a Dog making a Not-dog, and to repeat this sort of nonsense simply gives ammunition to the christian fascists who are tryng to replace science with know-nothingism and make the bible and it's authoritarian, question nothing values the rule of the land.

Elastic

[neilep]

Just in case any of you have NOT voted, I'd thought I'd post this link to the 'God' opinion poll http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=903&SearchTerms=do,you,believe,in,GOD

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[Raedon]

quote:Originally posted by Elastic

Evolution is not a religion. It is based on facts. It has absolutely nothing to do with a Dog making a Not-dog, and to repeat this sort of nonsense simply gives ammunition to the christian fascists who are tryng to replace science with know-nothingism and make the bible and it's authoritarian

I have no religion, I have personal -theory- about what happens when people pass.

  Please, please, PLEASE post to one site that proves evolution with facts I can visit and study.. please!  Send me to the truth.. and no Religion HAS no, "ammunition" it is all faith on old texts.

  I can understand people following their fathers but I'm not your father's son.

monkey hit wall.. wall real, monkey real.

[neilep]

quote:Originally posted by Raedon

quote:Originally posted by Elastic

Evolution is not a religion. It is based on facts. It has absolutely nothing to do with a Dog making a Not-dog, and to repeat this sort of nonsense simply gives ammunition to the christian fascists who are tryng to replace science with know-nothingism and make the bible and it's authoritarian

I have no religion, I have personal -theory- about what happens when people pass.

  Please, please, PLEASE post to one site that proves evolution with facts I can visit and study.. please!  Send me to the truth.. and no Religion HAS no, "ammunition" it is all faith on old texts.

  I can understand people following their fathers but I'm not your father's son.

monkey hit wall.. wall real, monkey real.

so.....what's your theory ?

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[Raedon]

quote:Originally posted by neilep

so.....what's your theory ?

  Well, first off.. it is my own so it's not up for debate.  

It also has changed over the last five years and probably will until I die.

I think that we are all novelty of one stream of consciousness.  For some reason this consciousness is schizophrenic and we are the result and in a sense we are all "soulmates."

At death we loose ego (I will no longer be Wes) and rejoin with this stream which is just complete understanding of infinity making it seem finite in understandability.  Beyond that who knows.. should be fun to find out one day.




It is good to be alive! It's impossible I'm here but here I am.. and I rock!

[Sandwalker]

Raedon

I had a similar 'idea' when questioning the nature of consciousness.

Gods bored with being omni-present, omni-potent, omni-----, to experience limitations his consciousness is scattered and limited, we are all parts of the god consciousness, we just don't realise it.

A new religion, based on a single axiom, with no proof, could work.

Its Fideist (requires faith as its main tenet), so should satisfy most (Catholics see fideism as heretical).

Lets give it a go.

[DrN]

This is a pretty good link for anyone wanting to read up on the theory of evolution:

http://www.txtwriter.com/Backgrounders/Evolution/EVcontents.html

and yes, thats exactly what it is - a theory. science is basically a whole heap of theories waiting to be proven or disproven. even when we think we've found the answer to something there are usually exceptions, which bascially show that we havn't yet uncovered the whole story.

The only reason this theory has become as contentious as it has is because it goes against the creationist view of the church. whichever you believe is entirely up to you, but there's a whole load more evidence for evolution that there is creation.

[Raedon]

My debate on this is only that it is tought as fact instead of theory.  Other then that, evolution is a more educated look at how we got here.

[Ultima]

Evolution is only a religion (whatever that means) if you believe that the whole world was "made" in 7 days. Which also goes against the whole field of Geology and common sense.... look at Hawaii its still being formed to this day. I have many Christian friends, but they interpret the bible whilst following common sense.

wOw the world spins?

[neilep]

What ever you believe in, or not believe in, is so subjective that what ever you say you feel is right when it comes to your faith, your lack of faith, your religion or lack of religion...or whatever.....will always be open to scrutiny and debate.....the only fact that I can see is that we can never prove (at this time)one way or another that there is a god ...or not...and that's why threads like this go on and on and on and on...ad infinitum.....the conclusion is, if you are happy with what you believe in , then that's just just lovely and nice.....it's the ones who impose their own beliefs onto others with a lack of respect that pisses me off....

....also, Raedon (Wes), I just don't think you can get away with saying 'it's my theory and is not up for debate' when you yourself have already entered into a debate about someone elses belief.....anyway..thats what I have to say about that[]

I still like your car though....give us the stats on it will ya ?[]



'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[Raedon]

quote:Originally posted by neilep
also, Raedon (Wes), I just don't think you can get away with saying 'it's my theory and is not up for debate' when you yourself have already entered into a debate about someone elses belief.....anyway..thats what I have to say about that[]

I still like your car though....give us the stats on it will ya ?[]

Point taken.  and thanks!  The car has special Mojo powers on women.

As for the evolution is a religion thought.  Religions are fact to those who believe them even though there is no proof.  Evolution is not a fact but is considered fact by many and in the first elementary school Science texts as fact.

  I guess I mean it is like religion not IS one.

[Raedon]

oh.. and it's a 99 Corvette FRC, Stage II heads and cam, TPIS long tube headers, cat delete x-pipe, 100 shot NOS threw a Vararam intake, ported throttle body, t1 sway bars, slammed one 1", Ripper shifter, HUD, 0-178 in a mile on the juice.  The ghost flames have 15 hidden skulls that can only be seen in the right light.  The car appears to be black from 10 feet away.


It is good to be alive! It's impossible I'm here but here I am.. and I rock!

[neilep]

WES....My word !!.....I wish I understood one thing you said about your car (that's me being cheeky)...but I'm sitting here thousands of miles away well impressed.. !!..what's the BHP and you have a V8 in there eh ?...and it looks cooooooooooool !!...actually..what I did understand was the top speed 178...phew !!..of course we're talking MPH here yes not..kph eh ?


'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[Raedon]

it's right at 600 HP at the crank and 596 torque.  I's a LS1 which is 350 Cu. inches of V-8.  It actually gets great gas milage on the highway 31 MPG or I guess.

 286.463 Kilometers per hour, 49.8897 Kilometers per gallon or.. ahh forget it lol.. I still can't beleve we didn't go metric in the 70's.

EDIT: oh and that isn't the top speed, that is just how fast it goes from a dead stop in a mile.  Top speed is unknown.


It is good to be alive! It's impossible I'm here but here I am.. and I rock!

[neilep]

I wanna ride...me me me me me me me......me want ride........

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'