[moore4u]

I had already read this post and I have actually passed it on to several people just in case they decide they want to make their own glyconutrients.  Frankly, I just don't have the time to do this - maybe some people do.  

The many people I have shared the glyconutrients with and who have decided to consume them - ARE experiencing absolute, postive results.

ALSO, through my sharing of the health benefits of these nutritionals, the company has rewarded me - on top of earning enough to pay for my products, I have earned money - SO I think I came out ahead of this guy!  My out of pocket expense - $0.00! I actually came out $80.00 to the good and I have blessed about 25 people with improved health. That is the reality and truth - argue all you want.

Please check out
http://www.livingsugars.com/stories.htm [nofollow]
for a glimpse of some STARTLING REALTIES!

 

[Tee]

I appreciate the feedback, here's my takeaway from this topic:  The "glyconutrients" - whether it be in the Mannatech product or homemade - do provide benefits to and improve one's health, particularly with the immune system - that seems to be fairly agreeable.  There is disagreement as to whether those benefits result from the enhancement of cell-to-cell communication as Mannatech suggests via the absorption of the "essential" sugars, or if the ingredients simply get "processed" a certain way to improve health, sort of like how eating an apple versus a candy bar GENERALLY is a healthier option (I know, that's simplifying, I'm no medical expert so I am not familiar with the appropriate terms, but I think my point is clear).  From what I gather, there is no product or nutrient(s) that has unequivocally been shown (through sufficient trials, etc.) to facilitate the undisputed SCIENCE of how the 8 sugars can be introduced to improve cell-to-cell communication.  So, the question in my mind until that happens is how much BETTER those products will be if/when they are ever created OR, if the existing concoction really does this, then when will it be proven with no (little) debate.

Bottom line is, there is a product that you can create at one cost of $ and time, or buy from Mannatech for a certain $.  The economic choice is each their own, and I really don't understand the continual debate about the $/ethics/whatever regarding this part of the issue, it's simply an individual economic decision to do either if you want to reap the benefits that presumably exist for this product.  

Thanks for the input.

[inga]

Duane, thank you so much for your input on this topic! []

What I take away from this (including my own follow-up research) is that Mannatech's promotion of "glyconutrients" is pure marketing hype with little connection to any sort of real science. Mannatech's marketing would be so much more credible if they could provide some science as to what their products actually do. From the little I've studied, I'm pretty sure I can do a better job of explaining how/why the prducts work than the company does. ...

The main ingredient of Ambrotose, Arabinogalactan, is also in a product I have been using as an immune-enhancing product. And it's in exactly the same proportion. A big difference is that the company making this product does not make huge claims for it other than activating one's immune system. And I've experienced remarkable results with this product. (The latest is that I averted a serious eye infection overnight -- having been in the hospital emergency room and probably unwisely rubbing my eyes, my eye was very sore last night, and I would normally have awakened with a crusting of pus, judging by past experience. But I took a couple capsules of this product and awoke clear-eyed with just a few grains of crusting around my eye lid. No pain either. Of course, this is hardly "scientific evidence. )

The product is based on Echinacea (the whole plant), with extra Arabinogalactan (which is also a natural ingredient of Echinacea), Astragalus membranaceous, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Folic Acid, Zinc and Selenium.

I was impressed, in researching this product, that each of the ingredients has a specific effect on various cells which work together in the body's immune system. I was also awed by the complexity and specificity of the disease -fighting cells in our body.

Just, based on Arabinogalactan alone, I can see why Ambrotose "works." And the research on Manapol/Acemannan is impressive as well.

I can also see that the gums in Ambrotose may contribute to the immune-enhancing effect because they function as pro-biotics and provide food for beneficial intestinal bacteria -- just as any number of other products do. I'm not so sure that the rice starch has particular disease-fighting properties. []

I do wonder about one thing, though. The company whose product I just described, suggests taking the product for 20 days, then going off it for 20 days because the immune-enhancing effect is reduced when one takes the products continuously. And the research on echinacea appears to support this recommendation.
 
I wonder about the effect of taking Ambrotose continuously, seeing that taking Echinacea continuously reduces its effectiveness and Arabinogalactan appears to be the main effective ingredient in Echinacea as well as in Ambrotose. (If I had a life-threatening illness, I would be tempted to try an Echinacea/Arabinogalactan-based producte and alternate it with a Manapol/Acemannan product while also taking pro-biotics and friendly bacterial cultures.)

Does anyone have further information on the effects of Ambrotose after taking it continuously for a couple years or so? (It's probably difficult to get objective information for lack of double-blind studies.)

(Personally I know of individuals who had terminal cancer, apparently experienced a remarkable "cure" with Ambrotose, then had a relapse and died within a year or two. I also know of individuals who took chemotherapy, experienced a remarkable "cure" and died within a year or so. I know of others who experienced a remission without drugs or special supplements but a change in lifestyle and diet alone. Some gained a year or two. Others lived much longer.)

And, as for testimonials of dramatic cures -- it's apparent that each "miracle cure" out there has plenty of them. How many of them are actual is anyone'e guess. The fact that Mannatech used photographs of a child with Tay-Sachs disease in an article to demonstrate the effectiveness of Mannatech products after the child had died and in violation of the parent's wishes does not inspire particular confidence in this company's integrity. (See www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/complaint.html [nofollow]. Certainly the lawsuit for fraud and invasion of privacy is justified.)

But, quite aside from Mannatech company ethics, I am interested in follow-up on immune-enhancing substances found in Ambrotose and other products using similar ingredients.

Duane, are you still reading?

[inga]

Another question specifically for Duane ...

I thought you mentioned that Bill McAnalley originally noted that the human body has no enzymes to break down Manapol. Is that correct? (If so, I'd appreciate it if you could provide documentation for that original statement.)

Yet, on what I assume to be a company site, at http://www.glycobiologynews.com/content/view/12/2/ [nofollow], he lists Manapol as the source of mannose, a simple sugar. In order for that to be true, the Manapol would have to be broken down ..

What I don't recall you mentioning is whether or not Arabinogalactan is actually broken down into simple sugars in the body. (Please forgive me if I missed that.) On the page I referenced, McAnalley certainly implies that the body obtains five simple sugars from Arabinogalactan.

I'm pretty sure, though, that gum ghatti and gum tragacanth are indigestible by humans. Yet they are listed as "supplying" some of the "10 unique monosaccharides" to the body. (By the way,I realize that being indigestible doesn't mean they are of no use, since various types of fiber are extremely important in the human diet.)

I am wondering, though, about the kind of science practiced by scientists associated with Mannatech. First there was Darryl See (www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/mannatec.htm [nofollow]). Now McAnalley makes these claims ...

[twinmom]

Hi, I have really enjoyed reading this thread.  I think diverse opinions are a good thing, it keeps us questioning "the powers that be" as well as ourselves and our own assumptions.  Anyway, after reading the posts from feb. to sept. (the twins are in bed ;0) I felt that I had to add my own.  

I have been taking ambrotose for about 6 weeks now.  I actually started on the weight loss product to help me lose about 30 lbs and then decided to add the ambrotose after reading all of the info.  And WOW, what a difference in my energy level!  It really is amazing.  I have only lost about 12lbs, which frankly, isn't any great loss and I may have lost on my own in 6 weeks without the product - who knows?!  However, it is the "ease" of the weight loss that has fascinated me.  I just have so much more energy - I WANT to exercise, I want to go for a bike ride with my kids - I feel GREAT!  In addition, I suffer from pretty severe allergies and this time of year(harvest)is usually the worst for me with headaches, body aches, sinus pain, rashes and just general malaise.  However, this year, so far I have felt better than I ever have during the harvest season.  

I also want to clarify that this is the first time that I have EVER bought from a multi level marketing co and I do not sell it.   A friend told me about it because her dad (age 75) had been taking the ambrotose for two years and said that he felt better than he had in his 60's.

I know that I am blessed to be able to afford ambrotose, it is pricey... I just know that it is worth it to me and I am praying that the wonderful results that I have had continue.

Keep up the excellent discussions, I look forward to checking back in...
twinmom

[Kittycat]

Hi Twinmom,

Great to hear that you have added Glyconutrients to your diet. The changes in your health and stamina will inevitably continue to improve. I went through some detox for the first three weeks and felt fluish. Now I am feeling better and younger too.
Feel free to email me if you would like to talk about it more and I will share some of the recoveries that we are seeing. Isn't it amazing what the body can do when given the nutrients it requires? KC

His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[areteest]

Hello everyone...I'm new here,just call me Sally!
  I came looking specifically for something on glyconutrients boy ! did I ever find it! I've been reading for two days, took info back to a couple other forums I'm on.....one of the other members on the forum and I got interested some time ago, decided to make our own, from the recipe from curezone, today was my first "dose" and am excited to start! The one forum is on psoriasis, the other is on alternative and complementary treatments.
Cathy have you heard of anyone clearing from the skin disease psoriasis? I went on a very restricted diet (DR Pagano's) did the slippery elm and American saffron tea and got clear! however I still have the scalp psoriasis......

[BodyHealThyself]

This forum is very educational and I appreciate everyone's views,even if I dont agree with some of the opinions that question the integrity and ethics of Mannatech.  I would like to suggest that you read "Undeniable Destiny" by Linda Caster to get a better understanding of Mannatech's mission and goals. This is a company with a heart and all of the people I have met who are involved with this company are more interested in helping people verses making money off of the weak and vulnerable. This is a new science.  I have no doubt that research will ultimately answer the metabolic pathway questions raised in this forum; how do polysaccarides convert to monosaccharides; how are glyconutrients digested?, what mechanisms in glyconutrients help modulate the immune system, what is the role of stem cells regarding glyconutrients....it wasnt that long ago that the glucose theory was proven wrong and we now know that these essential sugars have a much more important role than just providing energy.  Anyways, my best advise to anyone out there who is skeptical is to just try it and make a commitment to give it enough time to work.  Thank you all for listening to my opinion

Jeanne
BodyHealThyself@aol.com

[robbojnr]

hi arteest

i was wondering what you started on, i have a similar skin condition that i got about 6 months ago which has caused me serious distress, my skin is constantly tingling and burning and i have been under supervision of a chinese herbalist and naturopath with no joy..
interesting to see how you get on, i am also a curezone trawler....

hope it works out

best
pete

[areteest]

Hi Pete....I experienced a clearing from the psoriasis by following Dr. Pagano's diet and taking the two herbs slippery elm powder (mixed in hot water) and American saffron tea.......the scalp P never cleared so I'm trying glyconutrients for that as well as getting the body in shape...just for overall health...
If you are interested in viewing the P forum here is a link

newbielink:http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/index.php? [nonactive]
I post mostly in the alternative and complementary forums on the NPF board. My name is GitOverIt.....[] the other forums are mostly into the drugs used for P

[areteest]

Jeanne...I have nothing negative to say about Mannatech in fact everything I have read HAS been positive.....and In my opinion they and the distributors are doing a good job of keeping it that way....my problem is being retired and not able to afford this for myself and DH. So I'm making my own and trying it out to see how well we do.And I know I could become a distributor and get the powder that way but I think not, at this point!
But I am going to look for that book[]

[Kittycat]

Hi Areteest,

I personally don't know of recoveries with psoriasis, however I do know that glyconutrition excels with autoimmune.
Please let us know of your progress . Are you consuming glyconutrient powder? How much? Any other supplementation?
http://www.livingsugars.com/stories.htm
This link shows a young lady with a severe rash. It cleared using glyconutrition.
Take care, KC

His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[areteest]

thanks Cathy I would appreciate that....I belong to the National Psoriasis Foundation and am active on their forum so there are more that will want to hear how this person does.
I have always been a supplement taker...EFA's,milk thistle, spirulina, chlorella, B complex,
cod liver oil for A and D and sun for Vit D3 short spurts (very good for psoriasis)fulvic acid, blueberries in my glyco smoothie. etc I am not short of supplements.[]

[BodyHealThyself]

Hi Pete and Cathy.  For stories on psoriasis go to the following link and click on "skin"  There are 21 people in that category who have recorded their experience of adding glyconutrients to their diets.
newbielink:http://www.Glycostory.com/BodyHealThyself [nonactive].  I am glad you are going to check out the book "Undeniable Destiny"  
-Jeanne

[robbojnr]

well i went to a mannatech meeting seminar last night, dr. steve nugent was there.
I got to chat to him but i didn't have the time to discuss what has been said on this board. He kept saying that the research is there because if it wasn't then they wouldn't have 18 countries patenting it.

I thought it was ok the seminar, usual selling malarky, and ranting on about how great mannatech is, the proof is in the pudding really.

[inga]

quote:Originally posted by robbojnr

hi arteest

i was wondering what you started on, i have a similar skin condition that i got about 6 months ago which has caused me serious distress, my skin is constantly tingling and burning and i have been under supervision of a chinese herbalist and naturopath with no joy..
interesting to see how you get on, i am also a curezone trawler....

Hi Pete, What you describe is very different from psoriasis. (Five males in my family had/have psoriasis.) Of course, we can't diagnose you over the internet, but it just so happens that I've heard of people reporting a similar condition after eating too many buckwheat sprouts.

Think back of what changed in your life between 9 months and 6 months ago, and then explore what those changes could have caused. Did you move? Did you change your diet?

You didn't say how much of your skin feels that way. Shingles can make your skin feel that way -- but it's not usually all over the body.

Inga

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[inga]

About Psoriasis ...

As I said, five males in my family had/have psoriasis. My husband had a very bad case most of his life, and nothing much seemed to help, except sunshine in the summer.

Aside from a good vitamin supplement, what seems to have made the difference is the regular addition of flax seed oil & flax seed to his diet. Flax seed contains Omega 3 fatty acids, and other Omega 3 fatty acids would work as well, I suspect.

You have nothing to lose and much to gain because Omega 3 fatty acids added to the typical North American diet can make a dramatic difference in a number of ways. If you're not vegan, as we are, you probably won't mind taking fish oil from cold-water wish. That's probably cheaper, except that  I hope you like a fishy flavor.

Try taking 1 tablespoon of oil twice a day for a month, and see what difference it makes.

By the way, could somebody summarize Dr. Pagano's diet or provide an URL to a web site?

Inga

PS The ones in my family who still have psoriasis couldn't be bothered with a lifestyle change. Junk food is not good for it.

Put a smile on someone's face with http://smile-starters.com [nofollow]

[areteest]

Hi Inga.......Dr. Pagano has a book out with loads of info...you would like his diet it is very much veggies and fruits! however it is not a vegan diet unless you want it to be! He allows chicken, fish, lamb....but stresses no nightshades which are inflammatory vegetables.
They are green peppers, (not black, different ilk)white potatoes, eggplant,tomatoes, paprika, tobacco. He also goes into the 80%/20% food ratio,keeping the blood slightly alkaline with a pH of 7.3 to 7.5, in chemical reaction in order to maintain the optimum in gen. health and immunity.Lots of water to drink, oils to use on body, there is so much and well worth the money ($24.95)you might find a used copy on amazon! I use mine for reference all the time....full of info.
Sally

[areteest]

Where is everyone....I keep checking back and....nothing?
I have been on homemade recipe of glycos for 31 days! The psoriasis I had gotten rid of through Dr. Pagano's diet etc is back....not as bad and it seems some of the spots pop out and then disappear....however there are others that have stayed and grown larger......eek! I'm assuming this is a die-off or something (hopefully) One thing I should mention is I was taking 1 tablespoon of the glyco but have cut it back to half that about a week ago. Anyone else try the glyconutrients? and have anything to report?

[mannamom]

Areteest...and all