[Michael]

Manna does mean "what is it".  When the Israelites saw the hoar-frost looking material for the first time, this is what happened: (Exodus 16:15) When the sons of Israel got to see it, they began to say to one another: “What is it?” For they did not know what it was. Hence Moses said .� .� .

Ex 16:15 ftn. “What is it (this)?” Heb., man hu´? Syr., ma·nu?

Thereafter that phrase "what is it" became the name of the miraculous bread. (Exodus 16:31) And the house of Israel began to call its name “manna.” And it was white like coriander seed, and its taste was like that of flat cakes with honey.� .� .

See also the Hebrew dictionary of Strongs Ehaustive Concordance of the Bible, word numbers 4100 and 4478.

Regards,
M. Cameron

[tphreak]

Um... After reading that, I dunno if I'm the dumb one, or you are? I'm not trying to diss you, you're statement just makes me feel really dumb at the moment, cause I can't seem to find your reasoning behind it. I'm reading the bible right now, and I'm trying to see how you are right.

Exodus 16:12 states: "I have heard the complaints of the children of Israel. Speak to them, saying, 'At twilight you shall eat meat, and in the morning you shall be filled with bread. And you shall know that I am the LORD your God."

Exodus 16:13 - So it was that quails came up at evening and covered the camp, and in the morning the dew lay all around the camp.

Exodus 16:14 - And when the layer of dew lifted, there, on the surface of the wildreness, was a small round substance, as fine as frost on the ground.

Exodus 16:15 - So when the children of Israel saw it, they said to one another, "What is it?" For they did not know what it was. And Moses said to them, "This is the bread which the LORD has given you to eat"

You were right in the first sentence, but you neglected to continue... why?

Exodus 16:31 - And the house of Israel called its name Manna. And it was like white coriander seed, and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

I dunno if I'm interpreting those verses wrong or something, but from what i gather, Manna is the bread which the LORD has given to his people.

How you interpret it, it sounds like "OoOoO, look, a round shaped orang thing" "what is it?" "Its an orange." But it means "what is it?" I don't get it...

Do you see my reasoning? Does anyone else see this person's reasoning? Or is it just me that doesn't get it?

Peter

ps, I wasn't being sarcastic, I really just don't get how you get "what is it?" from Manna. And if ppl agree with you, I really do feel dumb, because I really don't get it.

[adamlespaul]

Ok, hi. Good forum.

First of all, Vitamin E gets a bad rap, but there is more than one form of vitamin E. There is Vitamin E (d-alpha) which is rarer because it is more expensive, and there is Vitamin E (dl-alpha), which is terribly prevalent, and all negative stuies of vitamin E are based on this kind. The dl-alpha is literally extracted from coal tar. Wonder why it causes problems.

Concerning Glyconutrients... it is true that the body CAN create all of the necessary sugars, but it requires a very complex and complicated process for the body. Certain things liek stress, toxins, poor nutrition can inhibit this process. These are things the body needs... it's more an issue of whether you want your body to work an unnecessary amount or not.

BTW, concerning Vitamin C. Vitamin C evaporates almost instantly when it comes in contact with oxygen. So if you want fruit juice to work, it does need to be fresh squeezed and drank son afterwards, otherwise it is ineffectual. Drinks in the store that say they have vitamin C are bunk. Don't buy it. The best thing you can do it peel an orange and eat it.

Thanks.

[Kittycat]

Hello Everyone,
Hopefully this will clear up any confusion regarding the assimilation of glyconutritional supplementation.

A slide presentation by Robert K. Murray, MD, PhD:  

http://www.doctorshealthcall.com/Basic%20Science%20of%20Sugar.htm

Dr. Murray received his medical degree from the University of Glasgow, Scotland, in 1956. He interned at Victoria Hospital, London, and then completed a further year of post-graduate training at the University of Michigan, USA, where he was awarded an MS degree in Physiology in 1958. This was followed by three more years of graduate research in Biochemistry at the University of Toronto, Canada, culminating in him being awarded a PhD degree in 1961.Upon completion of his PhD, he received an appointment as Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto. In 1965 he was appointed Senior Post-Doctoral Fellow, Oncology and Pathology, at the University of Wisconsin, returning to the University of Toronto in 1968 as Associate Professor, Biochemistry, where he was appointed Professor in 1973.

Dr. Murray had a distinguished teaching and research career at the University during which he received Faculty and Alumni awards for teaching, trained more than a dozen graduate students, published over fifty scientific peer-reviewed papers, authored multiple textbook articles, and was one of authors of the last five editions of 'Harper's Biochemistry', the 25th edition of which has just been published in 2000.

Since 1998, Dr. Murray has served as Professor (Emeritus) at the University of Toronto and recently as a consultant in carbohydrate biology and biochemistry to the nutritional supplement industry.


(This post is for educational purposes only)
Glyconutrition does not treat, cure or mitigate disease in any shape, form or manner.

His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[loweduane]

This presentation talks about glycobiology and the individual sugars, it does not address any information that would show that the ingredients in these supplements (soluble fibers, not individual sugars) have any direct effect on the glycobiology, except in the colon, where it admits they aren't well digested.

I don't think it clears anything up at all.  As I have said before, it is like an article telling us the benefits of minerals in our diet and then telling us we can get these minerals by eating rocks.

Considering his credentials, one would hope he would be a little more intellectually honest.  There is no way he could be this smart and knowledgeable and not know the 8 sugar hypothesis has almost nothing to do with how Mannatech's supplements work.  Which makes him more of a used car salesman than a scientist in this regard, regardless of how altruistic his motivation.

Sorry if people find my posts inflammatory or insulting.  I try not to be, but I just don't like to be lied to by people who know the truth, no matter what their justification.

Yes, glyconutrients work, but I don't think anyone should have to lie to me about how they work just to convince me to try them.

More acknowledgement on the effects of these supplements on the microorganisms in the human intestine is a step in the right direction though.  

Duane

[Calm]

Duane!  Great information.  Thank you.  I realise I am posting to an old thread here but I was hoping you could help me with something.  I understand what you are saying about the bioavailability of the sugars in those supplements and it bothers me also.   (although apparently, even on a science forum, some think that is irrelevant information [V])  

What I am wondering is the bioavail of the sugars in the homemade powders or in foods.  The homemade powders are made of the same basics, so that leads me to believe they are subject to the same issue.  However, perhaps food isn't?  I treat glyconutrient deficiency via neurolink, which corrects the body's ability to make and use the sugar communication of cells.  It does not "augment" the diet.  So I am interested to learn if there is a way to augment the diet with glycos.
Thanks!

[Kittycat]

Hello,

Recently several people have contacted me and with question and expressed their concern about the negative communication in this forum. They have express that this troubles them.

I hope to encourage anyone feeling that way to ignore the attitudes they find troubling.
Especially for those who are ill and seeking to have their health restored through glyconutrition.

I find it sad that there are people who are not open to hearing the good news, however I have decided to focus on the people who need it, who are willing to use it and the people who are recovering. Please don't let the bad attitudes discourage you. There will always be those who will act in a way that seems to try to destroy anything that is good.
Their voices will fade in the background of this phenomenal gift.

One thing that is good for us to remember is that carbohydrate research is disruptive technology and that glycobiology has been considered one of the 10 technologies that will change the world.  Change usually doesn't happen in a smooth fashion especially when it confronts the mega billion dollar medical industry.

Though many doctors and scientist think that the body is self contained and does not need to eat these nutrients, I am convinced that time will prove this theory wrong. There are thousands of people having their health transformed  by using glyconutrients and I don't think they would believe anyone who says that the body will manufacture these nutrients only when needed.

I have mentioned in previous posts that we are receiving more and more reports of wonderful progress. Some of these recoveries are not medically possible.

Here some of the recent reports we have been getting:

27 yr. old recovering from TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury or major brain damage)
was in a vegetated state. After a year on glyconutrition he is now eating, talking, and relearning to walk.
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Autistic boy's behavior changed and the whole family noticed and his teacher commented on improvement in his comprehension. He got his first "A" in school and his teacher did not know that he was using glyconutrition.
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Lady with metastisized cancer is improving and stabilizing.
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70 yr.old lady with fibromyalgia is doing great with more energy than she knows what to do with. Her comment was she has too much energy and wears herself out.
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Lady with diabetes sugar level is dropping and she comments on feeling better with a sense of calm that she hasn't had before.
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God bless you, KC
His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[loweduane]

Well then, in order to be more positive, upbeat and helpful:

Here are the alternative formula's that people can use that so far appear to be equally effective  (especially since the first one is the same ingredients/formula as Mannatechs product - Ambrotose):

Glyco-1 formula (from Mannatech's Patent - same ingredients at "AMBROTOSE")

48% Arabinogalactan (ImmunEnhancer AG from Larex, the only manufacturers.
12% Rice Starch (Filler? Improves solubility? digests into glucose)
10% Manapol (Patented Aloe vera extract from Carrington Labs).
10% Glucosamine
10% Gum Tragacanth
10% Gum Ghatti

Here is one person's sources for the ingredients:

http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=223&i=1951

Last I checked, 100 grams arabinogalactan (made by the same company that supplies Mannatech) was only $16.00 - that's only $8.00 per 100 gram batch of formula for the main ingredient.  (There are 48 grams of Arabinogalactan in each 100gm container of Mannatechs product)


Dr. Birds Formula (contains polysaccharides composed of the same types of sugars found in Ambrotose but in other plant-based ingredients- and also contains some other nutrients including some very potent plant-based antioxidants.)

Here is the listing: (information from Dr. Bird posted at many sites).

http://www.burnoutsolutions.com.au/glyconutrients.htm

Here is a link to one persons very economical sources for ease of putting it together:

http://www.web-graphique.com/glyconutrients/source_list.htm

Many people have noted beneficial results with both recipes. Even those who have switched to them from Mannatech's products. No one yet has said that they have had to go back to Mannatech's products after switching. All have noted that it is significantly more economical, especially when taking one or more teaspoon doses each day.

PILOTLIGHT, at the Curezone forum, also bought a large supply of Gum Ghatti, and has offered it to those who are interested.

According to Mannatech, in a paper concerning the development of their "Advanced Ambrotose

"While formulating Advanced Ambrotose, several other improvements were made. We removed rice starch and replaced it with oat fiber to provide a better source of glucose in the form of beta-glucans, molecules well accepted by the scientific community as important for immune support. We removed the Larix decidua-sourced arabinogalactan and substituted gum acacia, which contains all the sugars in arabinogalactan, as well as three other important sugars—rhamnose, galacturonic acid, and glucuronic acid." (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:0qP_SXcc_SAJ:www.mannapages.com/sharethegift/RDReport2005.pdf+gum+acacia+saccharides&hl=en):

While the main ingredient in "Advanced Ambrotose" is now Gum Acacia (a.k.a. Gum Arabic), vs. arabinogalactan, "which contains all the sugars in arabinogalactan" it should be noted that Arabinogalactan does has several studies showing it does have effects on the peripheral immune system, Gum Acacia does not.

If looking at individual saccharides that make up Gum Ghatti, note that it does not add any unique "essential" sugars that are not found in the other ingredients. You could technically just double the Gum Tragacanth, and be getting about the same amount of the individual saccharides..if that was your goal.

However, since Mannatech found it beneficial to replace the main ingredient in Ambrotose with Gum Arabic, you could always replace the Gum Ghatti with that substance. One site sells one pound for $7.95 (http://www.raivinfire.com/product_info.php?products_id=2148&company=Froogle&campaign=RaivinFire&adgroup=Shopping)and there area many others selling it too.

It is great that so many are getting so great a benefit from these products.  Hopefully this post will allow those who have been hesitant because of the cost or MLM association to give it a try.  Then even more people can have the great health effects that these substances (as opposed to a specific brand name) can have.

Hope for better health to all.

Duane

[Andrew K Fletcher]

Duane

Brilliant job. One lump or two anyone?

"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"

[loweduane]

This post seems to be completely out of character for KittiCat.

KittiCat has been one of the Mannatech Associates who, in the past, has always shown a lot of heart, care and concern for people and their health problems rather than the profit making aspect of Mannatech.

While we disagree on the science and explanations of these supplements, we have always agreed that they can have much benefits for people who take them. Sometimes people get in a bad mood, or have a bad day, and say things in a way that they normally wouldn't or make personal attacks that really don't have anything to do with what is really the issuess. I'm sure this must have just been one of those days for her. I would like to continue thinking of her as one of the sincere associates whose real care and concern is truly for people.

That being said, I will address the issues that she raised.

KC WROTE: "1. People reading this topic and being influenced by someone who continually tries to insult and shame others, esp. the co-author of the Harper's Biochemistry textbook, Robert K. Murray, MD, PhD., or Dr. Ben Carson, and Dr. Reg McDaniel, etc. and other highly respectable doctors and scientist who are leading in the field of glyconutrition. To actually accuse these doctors of lying and other shameful accusations, is outrageous to say the least."

I have reviewed my posts, and am sorry if KC thinks I have tried to "insult and shame" these doctors. I continue to point out the large gaping holes in their information they present for those who may not be as familiar with the science. While they should be eminently qualified, and knowledgeable in this area, their explanations continue to use the legitimate science of glycobiology and then make quantum leaps in unproven hypotheses that are promoted by the company that they work for.

I am not the only one who feels this way. H.H.Freeze, one of the preeminent experts in Mannose, whose references are often used by these doctors, has also noted their innaccurate interpretation both on the web, and in e-mail communications I have had with him. Also, consider the following excerpt from an article written in November in the New Zealand Herald:
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"George Slim, a former glycobiologist, who is director of Biotechnology Policy for the Ministry of Research, Science and Technology explains that all proteins on the outside of cells have some sort of sugar attached to them.

"Those can be varied very rapidly to provide a huge number of cell-to-cell communication events - even information as simple as blood groups are all based on glycoprotein sugars and glycolipids [fats bound with sugars]."

Slim says it is true too that mannose - one of the eight glyconutrients pushed in Mannatech's sugar pills - is important "in cell-cell signalling and the immune response".

The big gap between the real and pseudo science is the inference made about Mannatech's products - whether regularly taking an expensive supplement will make any difference in cell-to-cell communication and overall health. Slim says the science says no.

"Your body has a whole series of metabolic pathways which will quickly flip one sugar into another. So you eat a spoonful of sugar and by the time it is in your stomach it is already turned into a whole series of sugars just by the action of acid."

Once sugar is absorbed and taken into cells, it can be changed into mannose or any of the other glyconutrients.

Laurence Melton, professor of Food Science at the University of Auckland, agrees. "You store carbohydrates in your body as glycogen which is a polymer of glucose. So if you insisted on eating fructose [fruit sugar] in large amounts then what you don't use in energy would get converted to glycogen anyway - the glucose polymer."

Melton questions where the evidence is that we aren't getting enough of these obscure sugars in our diets or that we once used to. He disputes too that the nutritional value of food is being depleted.

"That's nonsense. There is every reason to believe the quality of food is improving, not declining."

Slim is dismayed at the way the science is being trivialised.

"Mannatech has taken some perfectly credible and very exciting science and substituted this big link - that taking these pills nutritionally makes a difference to the way sugars operate in the body. That link hasn't been substantiated."

He says anybody on a normal diet and without an enzyme deficiency is perfectly capable of making any of the sugars they require. "I think it's nonsense to suggest that taking mannose or any of these other sugars in your diet is going to have any effect whatsoever."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=500829&ObjectID=10336055
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I wholeheartedly disagree that they are "leading in the field of Glyconutrition." Despite the research out there showing the actual mechanisms of how these supplements work, they continue to tow the Mannatech 8 sugar hypothesis, without any scientific support that these supplements (which aren't even the 8 sugars) effects are secondary to absorption of these sugars, or that anyone is deficient in them. How can they lead in the field of Glyco-anything when they quote other researchers research, and they don't even publish any themselves? Wouldn't that make the people whom they quote the leaders? In fact, I haven't read any statements or information from any reputable glycobiologist, who is not associated with Mannatech, who would agree with you about their inflated importance. They are what they seem to be...employees of Mannatech who are selling a product.

If you mean they are "leading in the field of Glyconutrition" because they are convincing salesmen, and more people are buying glyconutrients from Mannatech because of their sales presentations, then I would have to agree with you. But I thought you meant the scientific field.

KC WROTE: "2. People are being led away from the truth. Please do your own in-depth research. You are NOT the "ignorant public".

Led away from what truth? Yes, please do your own in-depth research. On this point we agree. Read my posts, read Mannatech's marketing material, even e-mail them and ask them the questions I have raised, and see what answers they give. Also e-mail or call glycobiologists at your local University and see what they have to say. You might want to try this yourself KC rather than listening only to people who work for Mannatech.

KC WROTE: "Batch consistencies, proper processing, product/company integrity and shelf life are being overlooked.
From what I understand people are having a hard time mixing all the ingredients and getting the right consistency... ...In order to attain the health you are looking for, it is crucial that you have support and understanding of the healing process. I believe it is a priority to have a support person or team who is willing to work with closely you."

I have read over the posts on this forum and have found people asking for help in getting all of the ingredients, but I have not found that people are having a hard time mixing all of the ingredients at all. Did I miss something? Most have said it is quite easy and fast, and many are already reporting great benefits. Isn't that what you want??? People getting better?

Batch consistencies? Proper Processing? You can call Carrington and Larex, who are the same people who supply Mannatech and ask them about this. Or you can call the companies, like Food Science of Vermont (DaVinci Labs) and request information from them. I think you will be impressed with their answers, and willingness to share them.

Support Person or Team?? I thought that is what this forum was for. I think it is doing a great job, and that includes your posts (except your last one). Thanks

KC WROTE: "Please do keep in mind that you are dealing with a military chiropractor, who appears to be spending numerous hours jumping from forum to forum and could be abusing tax dollars or violating federal laws in doing so and not doing his military job."

"As for me, I try not to listen to what is being said, but HOW it is being said. How a person communicates his opinions shows a lot about his character.
It is my goal to try to communicate the truth in love, though I fall short many times. The way we treat each other is a priority and will have a direct affect on the rest of our lives and perhaps our health."

This was a stretch, and totally out of character for you. What did this personal attack have to do with the subject? Did you think it would damage my credibility?

If you will go back to my posts you will find that the times I wrote them are usually after 10 p.m., or very early in the morning, or on weekends, or my days off. Not during the work day. Are you really so concerned that someone is abusing your tax dollars? "Forums" and "chat" areas are blocked on military computers at domestic bases, so you should not concern yourself that federal laws are being violated in order to bring quality alternatives to the glyconutrient seeking public. Was this some kind of a veiled threat to try and scare me off so I wouldn't post here anymore?

How did you get so desperate? I thought we were trying to be "positive", upbeat, supportive.  Your statement about listening to "HOW it is being said" should make you look over your post and ask about the tone and content of your last post.    

If a janitor at the local grade school made the same posts I have made, it would make no difference, as long as the information was accurate. Though I have the credentials and education to have found the gaping holes in Mannatech's marketing material, and the presentations by the scientists that they send out to promote it, the proof is in the facts, the actual research, and the science, not in the credentials of the one that presents it.

If I have made errors in what I have said, then lets discuss it. Present the research that contradicts what I have presented, or answers the questions I have raised. If there is some magical processing step that makes Ambrotose superior to mixing the same ingredients at home, then what is it? Stick to the facts if you want to support your point to the people reading these forums. Attempts at trying to demean someones character, or veiled threats to try to stop them posting do not add anything to the discussion about glyconutrients.  

I have noticed that no matter how dispassionately I have pointed out the scientific problems with Mannatechs explanations, and have tried to present this information objectively, you always interpret anyone who disagrees with you as being "negative."  I have pointed out where you have presented false or unsupported information.  It is nothing personal, just trying to help people see fact from fiction, and if you have anything to show where I am wrong, great!  Present it.  I am beginning to believe that the only thing you accept as "positive" communication is where someone agrees with you, even when you are wrong?

As I said, I hope that your post was just a reflection of a bad day. We appreciate the many testimonials that you have posted, and the support and normally caring attitude you present. If you really do have any science or research that sheds light on where my posts have been incorrect, I think many people would be interested in reading them.

KC, I continue to wish you luck and health.

Duane
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17 Jan 2005

Though I have tried to defend KittyCat's integrity in this post, she keeps making it harder.  

KC - If I have any evidence of where I have made any "Misleading" statements about Mannatech or Dr. Murray, please point them out and give your support as to where I have been mistaken.  

Anyone who points out the fallacy of Mannatech's mistaken explanations, or the mistakes in their presentations, you consider "mean" or "rude" or "damaging".  So far you have shown no interest in seeking the truth on these topics, and you give no evidence to support your position concerning Mannatech's faulty science or to back up your concerns about making these recipes at home.  

If Dr. Murray didn't lie in his presentation, then address the concerns I noted at the curezone forum.  Either I am wrong, or he lied.  Give evidence where I am wrong, and you easily prove your point.  

You admit that you have no background in science.  I do.  I am not going to ignore blatant misrepresentations of science, just because you are not comfortable with it.  If I am wrong, investigate it.  Ask your experts at the conferences you go to, and find out the answers, with the evidence to support them.  Then present them here for discussion.  If you cannot find the answers, then you have to ask WHY.  

Pointing out the gaping holes in Mannatechs marketing material is not "mean" or "negative".  If it is wrong, it was wrong long before I brought it up.  I am just pointing it out to people.

And I will continue to point it out, over and over again, regardless of the fallacies and unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks and baseless accusations Mannatech Associates use to draw attention away from the actual issues.

When my children argue, and one of them realizes they are wrong, but won't admit it, they start calling the other child names, or they will hit the other child because of their frustration.  This is typical human behavior, depending on the childs maturity, self-control, and humility.  The same can be said of adults...

Again, I wish you luck, and pray for you in seeking truth, and the humility to accept it.

Duane

[Andrew K Fletcher]

Cathy your reply to Duane was rather terse, and even a little childish. Always better to discredit the argument rather than risking ones own credibility by trying to discredit and attack the person you are trying to communicate with.

I suspect you may have got a little of those sugars too close to an exposed nerve in your mouth.

Duane does present a very good argument against shelling out a small fortune for a few spoons of sugar. And as he has no vested interest in earning money from myself and others, I find myself swayed in favour of his low budget approach and applaud his calm and crystal clear arguments.

Still waiting for some concrete evidence from your side of the fence.

Andrew



"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"

[Kittycat]

Hello everyone,
 
Dr. Reg McDaniel will be lecturing on the effect that glyconutrients have on our own stem cells. This is a lecture and very informative. All are welcomed.
I will email you if you would like more details.
K.C.

Dr. Reg McDaniel
Graduate, University of Texas Southwestern Medical School
Former Director of Pathology and Director of Medical Education
Dallas-Ft. Worth Medical Center.

Meet and Hear Dr. McDaniel in Person
During the first week of Feb.
North of San Francisco, CA

His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[Kittycat]

Hi Andrew,
I haven't been impressed with the way you have carried yourself here in this forum also.
I have expressed my honest opinion, and expressing my concerns. I am sorry if I left room to be misinterpreted.
Your comment: "Still waiting for some concrete evidence from your side of the fence".
Though I am not a scientist, doctor or have a degree in biology, I do educate myself. I will refer you to the top of this page to the link and information I provided. (This is one of the doctors that Duane attempted(?) to discredit)
If you are serious and not trying to cause a debate then email me and I will pass on the info that you ask for.
Please be specific with your questions and I will be specific with my answers.
KC

His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[rdrosenkranz]

Hi,
Have been doing some personal research on glyconutrients and am trying to get both the pro's and con's to the science of it and the marketing of it.  I just moved back to the US after leaving overseas for the last 14 years in developing countries, I am a health care professional and teacher.  My exposure in developing countries and their health care systems, natural and organic substances that they use medicinally with some amazing results have left a lasting impression toward more natural medicinal options than synthetic.  It is interesting to note that in developing countries, chronic auto immune issues/disorders (outside of HIV/AIDS)were minimal in comparison to 1st world countries (although they are starting to see great increases in chronic auto immune disorders).

All that being said, what I have learned from working in all these countries is that an individual's chemistry has a lot to do with what the body's ability to absorb the nutrients that it needs.  From looking at what you all have been discussing, the one thought I would like to share is that what we all need to keep in mind.  Every individual body that is in some sort of dysfunction is basically in chemical "warfare" within itself.  Different types of bodies need different things with respect to what it needs to regain balance and heal itself.  While it may be true that some of the science of glyconutrients has been "embellished"  by particular companies for the purposes of financial gain, the fact of the matter is that it has been helpful for some where conventional medicine was not. And although I personally do not agree with how the glyconutrients are packaged and sold. It appears that these companies got in such a hurry to get these to marketing that they did not put much thought into what was the best way for unhealthy bodies to receive  one of more of the glyconutrients.  These companies basically packaged them like multi-vitamins are, which are effective with healthy bodies. But not so with unhealthy ones.  There is alot we still do not know about the body and nutrition for that matter.  Try as we may, medicine is NOT an exact science when it comes to diagnosing chronic conditions.


The hardest part about all of this is that medicine, nutrient and nutritional supplements in the US are no longer an opportunity to heal people but have become instead opportunistic.

OK, all that being said, I would like to see some of the pioneering research that was done in finding glyconutrients and identifying what role they play in the body.  I have a feeling that although they are probably not that effective or needed in healthy bodies, I think that in dysfunctional bodies they may be of some help.  I would like to dialogue further.  
Thanks,
rdr

[surveydan77]

Hey gang.  I just wanted to let all the skeptics know that, from the marketing side of it, mannatech has proven to be profitable for me.  My dad calls me up one day and tells me basically that "I need to get in."  He lets me know of the $1200 up front cost and assures me that if I don't make my money back within a month, he'll pay me back.  My dad has always had a knack for making money, so with 0 risk, and a chance at profit.... my only option was to say "yes."  Its been 4 months now, and I have since signed up my wife as well.  I have made a profit of $2000 thus far.  Not a ton, but still profit... and it can only increase from here.  On a side note, the glyconutrients seem to be working for my wife.  She has had beginning stages of arthritis in her wrists and other joints, and is reporting that all pain and stiffness is gone.  I have not noticed anything special other than a reduced appetite, although I never had any noticable pains before so who knows what's going on under the surface.  Could it all just be in her mind?  Of course... only time will tell if this is truly all its cracked up to be, but as for me... my skepticism is gone.  And don't worry if you're skeptical now, because we all are at some point.  I mean, come on... a miracle "sugar" that heals all ailments???  Just remember, everybody thought the Earth was flat until all of the sudden.... it wasn't!

[Andrew K Fletcher]

The Earth is still flat, just depends on where your viewpoint is.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts about this pyramid scheme. What's it like in a cup of tea?

"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"

[surveydan77]

Andrew, the earth is not flat... or maybe it is over in England.

[loweduane]

Hey SD77,

If you enjoy the benefits your wife is getting, but really love those profits, use the money you are getting to combine your own glyconutrients (according to the recipe above, at about 1/4 of the cost of Ambrotose), and then you can pocket the rest of the money you were paying Mannatech.  (You can even use some of your old Ambrotose canisters).  Same results, same ingredients, same quality, and EVEN MORE MONEY FOR YOU!  But don't forget to keep selling everyone else on taking the Brand Name stuff so your profits will keep rolling in.  

Capitalism...you gotta love it.

Duane

[Kittycat]

Hi Dan,

Welcome to this forum. I can see that our welcoming committee has greeted you already with arms opened wide.
Do you suppose it would be better not to be involved in this type of business and therefore put more money into the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry?
Or better yet, spending hours and hours on forum like these displaying your intellectual knowledge at other's expense.

I am glad to hear of your wife's progress and to see that you are seeing the financial benefit to the business side. In my case I am so wealthy that I just give my time and glyconutrients away for free! (Or not). Please keep us informed and yes, the welcoming committee always needs the last word. Do you think glyconutrients will help genetic conditions?

Take care, KC



His grace is sufficient and His strength is made perfect in my weakness

[dsaitch]

quote:Originally posted by momof4

For what it's worth,I thought I would add my personal story to the list of arguments for and against glyconutrients.  I am very grateful that a friend introduced me to glyconutrients just 5 months ago.  For over 20 years I have suffered from chronic neck and lower back pain.  Two of my children have suffered from "full blown" asthma since early infancy.  My youngest child had severe eczema to the point of bleeding.  Winter months were a nightmare with bottles of oxygen lined up in my garage.  I am happy to say that in the last few months I have been pain free.  There has only been 1 asthma attack (and I believe this was due to the fact that we were without product for over 2 weeks) and no sign of eczema.  It is so easy to get caught up in the arguments, as I have been reading in these pages, but to me the only proof I need is the healthy kids living in my home.  I wouldn't go a day without them and as a single Mom of 4, that is saying a lot.