[another_someone]

It is plenty confusion today about using term like invention, science, experimental science etc.

The terms 'discovery' and 'invention' have pretty clear meanings and distinctions in teh English language.  You discover what is there (polonium is there whether Marie Curie had discovered it or not), and you invent what is not there (the gramophone record would never have existed unless someone had invented it).

Any way I didn’t mean just on material science but as well on humanistic science. One example is Sigmund Freud - founder of psychoanalysis. I doubt that he will able to think about psychoanalysis if was living under nazi regime.

Sigmund Freud was Jewish, and so certainly would not have faired well under the NZAIs.  In any case, I believe the NAZIs had much disdain for psychoanalysis whoever had invented it.

For the Nazis, the purpose of discoveries and inventions is to strength the belief in mental supremacy of Arian race. Discovery and invention that comes from non Arian was undesirable.

To some extent the same could be said of any political system - they use sport, and science, to prove the superiority of their own view of human society.  The Soviets and Chinese both did this, and so do the Americans.

Another fact is, that living under constantan fear for own life and for lives of loved ones will make from greatest genius just simply man without ability to invent anything.

This is not at all the case, and has been shown not to be the case in many oppressive societies.  What you may have more validity in saying is that oppressive regimes are often poorly organised, and cannot make proper use of the inventions, but not that it stops the inventions from happening.  On the contrary, often in oppressive regimes, the genius will focus even more on his work as a way of forgetting the problems of living in the real world.

[GBSB]

The terms 'discovery' and 'invention' have pretty clear meanings and distinctions in teh English language. 

I agree. I think it isn’t necessary to point on English technical language-(English technical vocabulary) but just on English language. Confusion makes new invented words like experimental scientists etc.

You discover what is there (polonium is there whether Marie Curie had discovered it or not),

I agree. Only is to point that many material things and as well many laws of physics existed before was discovered and that is very likely that still many existing waiting to be discovered.

and you invent what is not there (the gramophone record would never have existed unless someone had invented it).

That is right. The point is that by invention of gramophone Edison discovered how to reproduce sound (record and replay of the sound). It is example how in some case an invention go along with discovery.
Possibility to reproduce sound existed before Edison invented (phonograph) gramophone but invention of phonograph enabled discovery of sound reproduction. Edison was inventor and discoverer.

For the Nazis, the purpose of discoveries and inventions is to strength the belief in mental supremacy of Arian race. Discovery and invention that comes from non Arian was undesirable.

To some extent the same could be said of any political system - they use sport, and science, to prove the superiority of their own view of human society.  The Soviets and Chinese both did this, and so do the Americans.

The intention to prove the superiority of owns view of human society is different from intention to prove the racial superiority and producing different impact on population.

Another fact is, that living under constantan fear for own life and for lives of loved ones will make from greatest genius just simply man without ability to invent anything.

This is not at all the case, and has been shown not to be the case in many oppressive societies.  What you may have more validity in saying is that oppressive regimes are often poorly organised, and cannot make proper use of the inventions, but not that it stops the inventions from happening.  On the contrary, often in oppressive regimes, the genius will focus even more on his work as a way of forgetting the problems of living in the real world.

I think that most scientists including the rest of population in Soviet Union was thinking that American scientists live in oppressive society and same applying for most of American scientists and the rest of population.

Many regimes in history have oppressed particularly population or particularly segment of population to by loyalty of les oppressed population but the Nazis have done to extremes.

I think that in under Nazi regime still many Germans didn’t have sense that thy living in oppressed regime and the reasons are many and one is that Nazis was just short time on the power and other is constant fear from bombing etc.

On the other side the Jewish population in Nazi Germany (and in the rest of Europe that was occupied by Nazis) was in different situation where the fear from own countryman is far more than the fear from bombing and fear from foreseeable invader.

I think that being German under Nazi regime in Germany still enable a man to invent or to discovery but being Jewish under Nazi regime in Germany is hardly for me to imagine the ability to be occupied with invention or discoveries.

The second half of 19 and the beginning of 20 century was time when the Jewish population start to actively participate in political and cultural life first in Western Europe and shortly after in Russia. Raising the Nazis on the power has to the some extent reversed that process in whole Europe and in Soviet Union. (Without taking in account that in many regions, particularly in the pre Nazi time Europe, significant Jewish population was completely eliminated.)

I think If Nazi movement didn’t gain power we will have much more real scientists that have Jewish background.

That is my opinion based on my knowledge of history and social physiology on the other side I am not historian or anthropologist.

[sooyeah]

Fanta orange, the drink.

The Nazis didn't make it, Coke did.

But Coke a Cola only made it, because they couldn't sell the Nazis, normal Coke, that was the allies drink.

Fanta- or as I like to call it, Nazi Coke.
 
So in some way, they did give us Fanta. What a crowning achievement!

[WIZBIT_69]

I would just like to add actually that how anyone could look up to Hitler beggars belief; you can often see a mans true colours in defeat, there he is(Hitler) the allies are getting closer and what does he say:
 
"Burn everything! they can conker ashes!" Here's a man that really cares about his people.

And I say to any budding Nazi today; Our grandfathers and their generation, fought suffered and died to stop that Nazi, fascist, racist, crap. So I say it load and clear, If you are a fascist, you dishonor everything they fought and died for- FOR SHAME!

[Evie]

I would just like to add actually that how anyone could look up to Hitler beggars belief; you can often see a mans true colours in defeat, there he is(Hitler) the allies are getting closer and what does he say:
 
"Burn everything! they can conker ashes!" Here's a man that really cares about his people.

And I say to any budding Nazi today; Our grandfathers and their generation, fought suffered and died to stop that Nazi, fascist, racist, crap. So I say it load and clear, If you are a fascist, you dishonor everything they fought and died for- FOR SHAME!

In my opinion, this is not at all the aim of this thread. Paul even stated at the beginning that the Nazis were not ethical in their experimentation. But science often follows the money (I know this all too well, working for a government agency where projects are reliant on grants, etc.), and the Nazis were well-funded. Though not many
(I think it is naive in this world to say "any") would condone the means that were used, it is more than valid to wonder what knowledge may have been gained by the Nazis experiments. Not one of the posts in this thread had anything facist or racist to say.

[Ray hinton]

Getting back to the thread ! !
the jet engine we use today, is  ( i understand ) a direct descendant of the German axial flow engine, i believe Whittles engine was  called a radial flow ( correct me please ) i dont care how it came about, i thank the inventor, it has made our world accessible to all of us, and gives me fantastic holidays in Malta !

[Don_1]

I think German WWII science & technology, although promoted by the war, should not be called 'Nazi'. Please can we remember that many Germans were as much affected by the Nazi movement as the rest of the world. Germany has appologised to the world for this period in their history, they are, even today, ashamed of what transpired.

Don't forget, the Nazi movement was not restricted to Germany. France, the UK and others had their Nazi followers.

This is a historical era which should never be forgoten, but the word 'Nazi', I think should be used with great care. There can be no doubt that it conjures up thoughts of mid 20th centuary Germany and Adolf Hitler. Rarely is it associated with Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Facists, and others like him.

I, for one, do not wish to offend Germans by continuing to remind them of this period.

You cannot hold the sons responsible for the actions of their fathers.

I am sure nobody here intends any offence to Geramns, but please consider their feelings.