[Zwitterion]

good to read u got some sleep karen...how about u Neil?

just wanted to ask has anyone any experience of Magnesium and its its impact on Sleep...came across that this morning so will be putting some research in but have you guys heard that?

[paul.fr]

Has the numbers of insomniacs increased with the advent of new technologies?

lets face it, in the "old days" the TV closed down just after midnight and you were left with the test card or some white noise. There was nothing on the radio, and even in the early days of the internet there was nothing much to do. So left with the option of sitting on our lonesome we just crawled up to bed and (eventually) went to sleep.

we now have 24 hour TV, even though there is still not much quality in the programming it's there in the background. we surf the net, watch tv and videos on demand and eventually end up in some forum or chat room....i know im tired but hay just one last post...then wait a while see if someone replies and the hours drag on and we sort of come round a bit and have another coffee, feel more awake and just another quick google......

even then when we do go to bed, after a few minutes we think, hay still can't sleep lets just turn the tv or pc on for a minute and back we go , in to the spiral that is technology.

last year i decided to stop surfing in an effort to get some sleep and get away from the grind of returning home from work, the pc is still on because of broadband and i sit there for hours just looking and reading then finally remembering to go to bed...but look at the time im back up in a few hours.

so i kicked "the habit", and 6 months later im back. not at home! who cares i have broadband on my phone so i can still surf and post at the bus stop, on a train......

Technology! oh for the simple life.....

Paul

[Karen W.]

LOL, Hey Paul.. an amusing post. I willhave a cappuchino  in the morning on some mornings, not everyday. I avoid caffiene as I am allergic.. I do love me computer however and my friends here in this forum.. I have done all manner of things to go to sleep. We do not have cable so our tv goes off around 1:00 am or earlier depanding on who is up. Me or hubby. Been me late so it is not even on at all once I get off work. I used to watch all the time. Very rarely watch at all these days as I prefer this site and am able to do more thinking here then in front of the tube! I do miss it though!!! LOL

[Zwitterion]

Sorta agree with you paul...that theres probably more ppl getting less sleep due to the wonderful world of technology...not sure what id do without it!!...also the invention of the light bulb cant have help....but theres a major diff between ppl who choose to sleep later and those who struggle to sleep no matter what they do...for those of us technology is great to kill the hours before boredom does!!...

its sad really when i know ive had a bad night when ive made it to Countdown at half 5 in the morning!!...or when the damn alarm on my mobile goes off before i get to
 sleep!!...that really pisses me off!!

[Karen W.]

Zwitterion.. Do you mind me asking your name? Was just curious, so no pressure. How was last nights sleep. I was able to get 2 hours.. Am so tired. Here here! On the activies that are available.. Its not like we watch Tv while we are trying to go to slaeep! I turn everything off.. sometimes I put some very soft music on to relax and help me to go to sleep.. But mosylylay in silence listening to my brain run dialog to my body.. about everything that could be wrong and everything that is right too! Don't figure.. I guess my brain just does not shut down untill my body collapses.. and it does not matter how hard I try!

[moonfire]

Yep, I think it does not help...but it does help when i am awake through the night or when I am tired of reading...

[Karen W.]

Yep, Me too!

[Zwitterion]

Hiya Karen, Moonfire...

How have you been sleeping lately?...ive been sleeping much better...havent felt like a zombie for most of this week and actually feel im living after soo long...

Karen, hope you dont mind but id rather just be called zwitterion or zwitty on here. )

Moonfire...do i remember right that u asked about the link to the shisha thing i talked about a while back...dont think i did send you the link...would it be ok for me to put in on here again or shall i send you a private message?...

hope everyones well!!

[paul.fr]

or when the damn alarm on my mobile goes off before i get to
 sleep!!...that really pisses me off!!

Ah, the dredded mobile phone. I find the worst thing about using this as an alarm clock is that people always ring you just when you have finaly managed to get to sleep. you are then always greeted with "Have i woke you".arrggggghhh.

Hi all

[Karen W.]

Hiya Karen, Moonfire...

How have you been sleeping lately?...ive been sleeping much better...havent felt like a zombie for most of this week and actually feel im living after soo long...

Karen, hope you dont mind but id rather just be called zwitterion or zwitty on here. )

Moonfire...do i remember right that u asked about the link to the shisha thing i talked about a while back...dont think i did send you the link...would it be ok for me to put in on here again or shall i send you a private message?...

hope everyones well!!

It's no Problem, zwitterion.. I was just curious! I am still hit and miss, but night befor had a good night which helps make up for the bad ones.. I am glad your week has been restful!

[Karen W.]

or when the damn alarm on my mobile goes off before i get to
 sleep!!...that really pisses me off!!

Ah, the dredded mobile phone. I find the worst thing about using this as an alarm clock is that people always ring you just when you have finaly managed to get to sleep. you are then always greeted with "Have i woke you".arrggggghhh.

Hi all

Sorry bout your cell phone waking you Paul.. It is the pits.. I remember when.. I do not use an alarm clock, I haven't needed to for years.. I am always awake, or when I do sleep, I automaticly wake before I have to be up!! LOL I think it may have something to do with the light outside or something!

[paul.fr]

Hi Karen.

There was a time when i never needed an alarm clock, but with sleep being the way it is, once i do get off i could stop in bed forever. Being too much of a cheapscape, i don't have an alarm clock and just use the phone.

With reguards to you awakening before your alarm goes off, i think this is due to your internal clock.

Paul

[paul.fr]

Is it possible to have too much sleep?

I only ask because i always hear people moaning that they feel, erm.....bad because they have had too much sleep! I think these are the same people that moan about the heat in summer and cold in winter.

Paul

[Karen W.]

Actually sleeping longer then the nom, actually can make you drag and feel worse. My doctor says 7 to 8 hours is ideal for most people so My goal would be to get there. I have an occasional night like that. where I get 7 hours.. THey are few and far in between. I don't think Neil ever gets close. I average )to 2 hours on a bad night! 2 to 4 hours on a good night! I used to sleep better, with sporatic restless nights, It has become more of a problem the last 15 or so years.. Maybe it's because I am not very happy, with me home life.. I don't know I have tried to anylize it.. it doesn't work.. I just can't sleep!

Internal Clock.., why does it not help shut things down better for sleep?? LOL

[paul.fr]

Actually sleeping longer then the nom, actually can make you drag and feel worse. My doctor says 7 to 8 hours is ideal for most people so My goal would be to get there. I have an occasional night like that. where I get 7 hours.. THey are few and far in between. I don't think Neil ever gets close. I average )to 2 hours on a bad night! 2 to 4 hours on a good night! I used to sleep better, with sporatic restless nights, It has become more of a problem the last 15 or so years.. Maybe it's because I am not very happy, with me home life.. I don't know I have tried to anylize it.. it doesn't work.. I just can't sleep!

Internal Clock.., why does it not help shut things down better for sleep?? LOL

Maybe once a week i get 7 hours in one go, i do have a nap in the evenings or afternoon for an hour or two. I think this is why i then have trouble when it's time for bed.

Do you try and rationalise your day or life as you try and sleep? I used to do this a lot and it just screws your sleep up and makes you feel miserable, and keeps you awake.
Why the internal clock does not just say "to hell with this" and force you to sleep is beyond me.

Isn't there some for of scale that gives you the hours of sleep you need. from infancy to maturity? i seem to remember that when we are around retirement age you can get away with 5 hours sleep.

Paul

[neilep]

Has the numbers of insomniacs increased with the advent of new technologies?

lets face it, in the "old days" the TV closed down just after midnight and you were left with the test card or some white noise. There was nothing on the radio, and even in the early days of the internet there was nothing much to do. So left with the option of sitting on our lonesome we just crawled up to bed and (eventually) went to sleep.

we now have 24 hour TV, even though there is still not much quality in the programming it's there in the background. we surf the net, watch tv and videos on demand and eventually end up in some forum or chat room....i know im tired but hay just one last post...then wait a while see if someone replies and the hours drag on and we sort of come round a bit and have another coffee, feel more awake and just another quick google......

even then when we do go to bed, after a few minutes we think, hay still can't sleep lets just turn the tv or pc on for a minute and back we go , in to the spiral that is technology.
.
last year i decided to stop surfing in an effort to get some sleep and get away from the grind of returning home from work, the pc is still on because of broadband and i sit there for hours just looking and reading then finally remembering to go to bed...but look at the time im back up in a few hours.

so i kicked "the habit", and 6 months later im back. not at home! who cares i have broadband on my phone so i can still surf and post at the bus stop, on a train......

Technology! oh for the simple life.....

Paul

The only way to find this out would be to conduct a long detailed study !

The thing is......I don't know if the technologies of today make insomniacs per se......it might make people stay up late but if they can easily return to a normal sleep pattern then they are not suffering from insomnia. What I think Technology it is doing is making  people have less sleep and later nights.

I think it's important to differentiate between late nights and proper insomnia

[Karen W.]

I have turned everything off and layed in bed for days one after the other even forced my self to stay in bed all night! It does not help me! I still cannot sleep after you do this for months, you finally realize what the heck is the point... You get up and make something else happen, education cleaning, painting drawing, writing, singing listening... dancing, scrap booking.. LOL Whatever floats your boat! LOL Anything is better then lying there turning and moving and getting bed sores from squirming in the sheets!!

[paul.fr]

Karen,

I just wonder if you have stopped smoking? or stopped aroud the time that your insomnia started to be more noticable?

edit: if you have or did, did you use any aides to stop you smoking?

[Karen W.]

Sorry Paul, I have never smoked.. Unless You call trying one when I was 14 smoking.. I just about choked to death on that couple puffs..LOL Not for me Friend I never have smoked and never will. I also do not drink.. or take recreational drugs, never have never will. I am on seral medications for my health..

Some Of my problem stems from a child hood molestation that seems to cause me grief when darkness falls.. Perhaps thats the whole problem, I don't know.. but I know it is at least part of it.. kind of scared to go to sleep for fear of what will wake me up!

My mother smoked like a chimney.. It killed her!

[paul.fr]

Hi Karen,

sorry o hear about your early life experiance...if i may put it that way.

I guess i may have been correct then in my earlier post, when i asked if you tried to rationalise your day or life and this stopped you from going to sleep.

This is something that i do most nights, i will rationalise, or try to, the day and what i could have done differently. this can take hours and is most annoying and i suspect may have medical conations.

i also have anastasia's mum to contend with, i have spent nearly 30k in the past 6 years to ensure i have regular contact but her mother always breaks the court orders and i am forever back and forth filing for new hearing, etc. this also keeps me awake at night too.

whilst neil is correct that there is a difference between people with genuine insomnia and those that just go to bed late for one reason or another the effects on your mind and body are the same.

i am having a bad spell at the moment, and seem to forget what i am supposed to be doing. from paying bills to going shopping and all day to day activities. i am even having a hard time concentrating on how to spell, of course this is not just down to the lack of sleep it's also stress and things playing on your mind.

Paul