[Hei-Tai (OP)]

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I have start to think,,,what we can research or analyze of future and past?

How long time backward/forward we can say,,,that is what happens?

Example;
Can we say anything of how old is universe? Or sun? Or earth? Or moon?

What we known?

My theory is that we can says backward probably 1-2 000 000 000 years. Perhaps that is too more. And future,,,do we known how long sun live?

Earth-ball we known that many living-things has live about 200 000years ago.
But what was 1 000 000 year ago,,,or 1 000 000 000 000year ago?

I think that all our research-doing things cannot goes more than about
1 000 000 000years and more time of that everything is unknown.

That means that all speculation about 5 000 000 000 year old earth etc. is non scientific issue.

We dont known what kind was universe or sun about 10 000 000 000years past.


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What do you think,,,how long time forward or backward we can say,,that is so?

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[Vern]

The age of the earth is assumed to be around 4.5 billion years based upon measurements of slightly radioactive elements in the rocks. We are pretty sure this works correctly. The oldest rocks seem to have become solid just a little less than 4 billion years ago.

The age of the Milky Way Galaxy was estimated by the age of the oldest stars. We know the life cycle of white dwarf stars, for example. So if we find the coldest white dwarf we can see with our most powerful telescope we can guess that the galaxy must be at least as old as the oldest star in it. A quick Google of this method indicates an age in the range of 12 billion years for the Milky Way Galaxy.

Are you saying that our method of measure is not good? Are you proposing a better method of measure?

[Hei-Tai (OP)]

The age of the earth is assumed to be around 4.5 billion years based upon measurements of slightly radioactive elements in the rocks.

The age of the Milky Way Galaxy was estimated by the age of the oldest stars.

 12 billion years for the Milky Way Galaxy.

Are you saying that our method of measure is not good? Are you proposing a better method of measure?

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4,5 and 12

 4 500 000 000 years
12 000 000 000 years

We have now study this world about
00 000 000 150 years

4 500 000 000 / 150 =  30 000 000

Method is not enough accurace,,,not even that way.

I dont propose better accurace because measuring time limit that,,,if we has study 1500 years we dont get still enough data to calculate age of earth.

What i mean,,,hmm,,how i say,,,we cannot calculate any method what kind was universe example, 10 000 000 000 years past.

We cannot calculate any method what kind was earth about 1 000 000 000years past.

Why is so?

Because we dont know what is the speed of planets growing-process.

My theory in the picture means that we have limited possibilityes to calculate or observ universe and happens in it.

Past and future we can research something happens only few hunder miljon,,exmample 500 000 000years and so on.

Todays on-line data(information, etc) cannot tell us what was long time past or what come long time forward.

Example earth-growing process,,, we dont know is earth growing small dust-particles and growing todays size,,,or is earth fly out sun hot-melt lava and start to freezing and todays size.
That means that one, our observ time make one limit and planets born theoryes gives many possibilityes to born planets.

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[Vern]

I agree that our method of measure is not perfect; but it is as good as folks can make it. So, until someone comes up with a better method of measure, we're stuck with what we have. []
 

[Hei-Tai (OP)]

I agree that our method of measure is not perfect; but it is as good as folks can make it. So, until someone comes up with a better method of measure, we're stuck with what we have. []
 

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Therefore whe cannot say earth is 4,5billion years,,,we can say earth age is probably minimun 1 000 000 000years and maybe it's age now is
10 000 000 000 years or something,,,

But universe,,,we dont know is universe existing forever or is it be
example 1 000 000 000 000 000 years or so.

Means that when we speak what we can prove with scientific proved method is different that what we believe many reasons,,like big-bang stuff is.

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[Hei-Tai (OP)]

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I draw a picture where universe is drawed three cube.

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B-block is today universe,,,full of life and motion.
A-block is universe before B,,full of matter, no motion, no life.
C-block is universe no matter, pure emptyness.

My thought is that universe is endless and immeasurable,,,so i think that human cannot never solve the problem,,,how universe born,,,but how flowers born,,that is easy to see,,hmm. but still difficult to understand. [:I]

I tell little more this picture.

Today Block B.
Means that all things are in that living universe.
All mathematical values are story of that existing universe.

And our life-cyccle is one small part ot universe life-cyccle.

Block A.
Before Block b perhaps be space where is no motion, no life, all point of universe is full of matter.

Interesting points or borders
Point 2.
What happens when matter start to move?

Line between point 3-1.

Pure emptyness space.
No matter.
No motion.
No mathematical formulaes, because no matter, no motion.

Therefore i think that situation B is that which is and existing all time,,,hmm. enough all time side of our life-cyccle time.

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[Hei-Tai (OP)]

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Hmm,, how it is possible that we are not interesting to make science which has limits and common sense reality. [:I]

I have wondering that some how human-scientist has some kind of sub-mind need to solve problem "how universe born" so baddly at then scientist are not interesting to make scientifical thruth.

Example;
- big-bang theory
- black holes
- matter born from nothing
- age of planets
- basic-matter-theoryes
- etc.

My question is simpple;

What we really known and what is only mathematical theory?

Do we really known how matter make everything?

What we can known?

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[Vern]

Example;
- big-bang theory
- black holes
- matter born from nothing
- age of planets
- basic-matter-theoryes
- etc.

My question is simpple;

What we really known and what is only mathematical theory?

Do we really known how matter make everything?

What we can known?

Those are good questions. We can't know most of those things; we can guess; and we can use mathematical tools to test the accuracy of our guesses.

The big bang, black holes, and matter from nothing are concepts that I suspect will not survive. They require singularities that nature seems to avoid.

[Bored chemist]

"Therefore whe cannot say earth is 4,5billion years,,,we can say earth age is probably minimun 1 000 000 000years and maybe it's age now is
10 000 000 000 years or something,,,"
You can say what you like, but science says that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

[Hei-Tai (OP)]

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I put the link where i make question,,earth age,,it's clear my thought.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=20040.0


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[Vern]

It seems that you're trying to replace some well-studied scientific guesses with some off-the-cuff guesses. Is there some reason you object to our current estimates?

[analynsarte]

there are a lot of things that we need to research here on earth. we are bombarded with a lot of questions in our everyday living. asking how long? i guess it's infinite..

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