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Could that no-yet-discovered natural mechanism be dark matter and - the fact that galaxies move apart - dark energy? Given a few more years, and wider acceptance, would this concept not then become a NATURAL MECHANISM? They've got the math and the proof. They're just looking for a particle?
Jerrygg38, I really am not questioning your right to see your universe in any way you want. I've said it and say it again, I think that your solutions are really, really amazing. They're elegant and poetic and really quite beautiful. A gyroscopic action in three dimensions. It's geometrically truly fascinating. And I LOVE patterns. Especially moving patterns. What's not to like? I am ABSOLUTELY not in a position to criticise it. On the contrary. I think the concepts are wonderful.My only hope was that you could follow my own concepts. Not because they're important - but because I'd like to explain how I sort of try to piece the forces together. Like I say. It's not that only one of us can be right. Let me assure you - there is very little chance that I can even be half way right. But I do have a compelling explanation for how I see the forces reconciled. But you don't have to read it or understand it. It would be just be so nice if you did.And we are DEFINITELY not in competition. I can't compete. It's like marathan runner competing with child. It just would not be fair. I need a handicap allowance.
Quote from: witsendCould that no-yet-discovered natural mechanism be dark matter and - the fact that galaxies move apart - dark energy? Given a few more years, and wider acceptance, would this concept not then become a NATURAL MECHANISM? They've got the math and the proof. They're just looking for a particle?I'm not sure they have the proof. They have the measurements. Then they have speculation about what could cause the conditions they measure. It is entirely possible that stable, electrically-neutral, particles might exist.I suspect that it is not likely that dark energy exists. Maybe the universe is not expanding. Maybe light gives up energy as it ages.
There really is proof. Since 1920 they found discrepancy with mass ratios and then it was conclusively proven with Hubble telescopes.
Jerrygg38 I can't speak for Vern, but I KNOW that there is a really growing number of people who believe that the universe is expanding.
Quote from: witsendJerrygg38 I can't speak for Vern, but I KNOW that there is a really growing number of people who believe that the universe is expanding.My wife accuses me of not even believing the road in front of the house goes to the same place today as it did yesterday. I suspect a lot; I believe very little.
All this spewed out stuff contributes to the gravity of the system. Yet; it is not considered in the calculations. VernI thought that if mass is ejected from a system then it would reduce the mass and thereby the gravity? Is that wrong? []
Jerrygg38 I can't speak for Vern, but I KNOW that there is a really growing number of people who believe that the universe is expanding. This is another thing that's been measured. I personally don't agree with it. Not sure about Vern. But you're definitely in the general stream in expecting expansion. Really it's interesting that you required it because it's generally considered to be a fact.
You've missed the point. They cannot get enough mass to account for the fact that the outer boundaries of the galaxies spin at the same rate as the inner.
Yet again Vern. I've got my finger dangerously near that 'report to moderator' button!!!!!! [] [] []
Michio Kaku refers to a 'halo effect' where the mass of invisible matter is clustered in chunks around the boundaries of the galaxies.
Tired Light is an alternative theory to that of the expanding Universe. This theory explains the experimental evidence without resorting to the 'cosmological constants' or 'vacuum energy' that are essential to the theory of the expanding Universe.Experiment tells us that photons of light from distant galaxies have a longer wavelength on arrival than when they set off. Since red light has a longer wavelength than blue light, we say that they have been 'redshifted'. The Theory of the Expanding Universe explains this as space expanding and stretching the photons as it does so. In Tired Light we say that the photons lost energy during their journey to us by bumping into electrons on the way.