[Science Copperfield]

Science Copperfield asked the Naked Scientists:
   
No swine flu this week... but I do have a serious question... what is the likelihood this flu was engineered...albeit badly? It's a combination of swine flu, human flu and avian flu. How does that happen without some direct manipulation?

newbielink:http://www.wellsphere.com/genetics-article/swine-flu-concerns/660069 [nonactive]

Quote: "The six genes from American swine flu are themselves mixtures of swine flu, bird flu, and human flu viruses."

What do you think?

[Chemistry4me]

Do I smell a conspiracy theory here? []

[rosy]

No. It wasn't engineered... if you were out to release an engineered virus to kill people, wouldn't you do a better job than the current (for most people) relatively mild infection (for all it has killed a few unlucky individuals the people I've heard from who've had it have described it as more like a nasty cold than a really bad 'flu)?

Influenza happens to be an infection that affects and can (sometimes) be passed between humans, pigs, and birds. Viruses being prone to share their DNA when co-infecting a host it is only to be expected that sometimes a pig with a strain of flu mainly found in pigs might be infected by a human with a strain found principally in people and then infect some other pigs with a mixed strain. If another pig with this strain were then infected by a bird with a bird flu, voila, a triply assorted strain. The odds, over time, are not in any way against it happening from occasionally.

[Bored chemist]

"How does that happen without some direct manipulation?"
The same way it always did.

[HankRearden]

I'd imagine that an engineered disease would look at least a little different than just a standard mutation of influenza.

[Don_1]

The virus itself has not been engineered, but the almighty fuss over it has! Perhaps to take our minds' off the economic mess we are in and the greedy bankers and politicians who have been and still are cashing in on everyone else's hardships.

[Nizzle]

How does that happen without some direct manipulation?

Ask Darwin if he was still alive []

Quote: "The six genes from American swine flu are themselves mixtures of swine flu, bird flu, and human flu viruses."

What do you think?

I think: What happened to the 7th and 8th gene?

[demografx]

Do I smell a conspiracy theory here? []

Yes!!! Otherwise how do you explain the fact that absolutely no swine flu was EVER found at the 1969 Apollo Moon Landing site??

[Don_1]

Do I smell a conspiracy theory here? []

Yes!!! Otherwise how do you explain the fact that absolutely no swine flu was EVER found at the 1969 Apollo Moon Landing site??

GOOD GRIEF!!!!

I think you're on to something there.

[L_D]

Science Copperfield asked the Naked Scientists:
   
what is the likelihood this flu was engineered...albeit badly? It's a combination of swine flu, human flu and avian flu. How does that happen without some direct manipulation?

http://www.wellsphere.com/genetics-article/swine-flu-concerns/660069

Quote: "The six genes from American swine flu are themselves mixtures of swine flu, bird flu, and human flu viruses."

What do you think?

I have little doubt that this H1N1 "swine flu" came out of the lab, not only by the frankenstein makeup of it but also that it is so closely related to the 1918 Spanish flu, which was reconstructed in the lab only a handful of years ago.

The H surface protien is the givaway, see my thread here:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24324.0

No. It wasn't engineered... if you were out to release an engineered virus to kill people, wouldn't you do a better job than the current (for most people) relatively mild infection (for all it has killed a few unlucky individuals the people I've heard from who've had it have described it as more like a nasty cold than a really bad 'flu)?

If you were to deliberately release a virus to kill people you would certainly choose to release a reconstituted 1918 Spanish flu as it is the most lethal flu on record.

The fact that this variation isn't killing as many people (for whatever reason) as the 1918 flu doesn't mean the intent for mass murder, mass vaccinations, mass fear, and heap of new intrusive laws isn't there.

[Nizzle]

The fact that this variation isn't killing as many people (for whatever reason) as the 1918 flu doesn't mean the intent for mass murder, mass vaccinations, mass fear, and heap of new intrusive laws isn't there.

Maybe because if this truly was the intent, they'd do a better job at it?
You can't be this professional as to engineering a virus with the intent for mass murder, and at the same time this noobish that it doesn't work.

If it was created in a lab, then it was created by the same companies cashing in from the vaccines right now.
And they got unwillingly helped by the media, because the governments willingly leaked some info to them to get the people looking the other way, as in: away from the financial crisis.

How's that for conspiracy theory? []

[demografx]

Do I smell a conspiracy theory here? []

Yes!!! Otherwise how do you explain the fact that absolutely no swine flu was EVER found at the 1969 Apollo Moon Landing site??

GOOD GRIEF!!!!

I think you're on to something there.

I also think that Elvis sightings are an explanatory variable. Not sure exactly how, but time will tell!!!

[smart]

The swine flu vaccine was engineered. Time will tell if the fabrication of recombinant virus particles can generate  vaccine-resistant strains of the flu. Notice how the "Zika virus" epidemic can also be engineered to coerce the unjustified vaccination. It's the same history repeating again...