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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17360 on: 20/02/2021 11:50:29 »
" There are divisions among EU members, with Germany going ahead with the Nord Stream 2 project which would transfer gas directly from Russia to Germany. "

My joke of the day, and once more I prove the worth of that pointy hat I use. As they say  'told you so'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56137020
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17361 on: 20/02/2021 11:51:45 »
You won't get out of this. You have to be both blind and deaf to think you can. Dumb, well yes, that too.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17362 on: 20/02/2021 11:53:27 »
I'm actually starting to think I'm excellent at reading patterns here. And you seem unable to prove me wrong.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17363 on: 20/02/2021 12:03:44 »
Not that this does any of us any good. It becomes just another documentary, in futility for your titillation. While we let leaders and decision makers lead us to extinction. Maybe there is no meaning to life in which case it doesn't matter, what happens. Maybe there is, in which case I think you failed.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17364 on: 21/02/2021 00:55:51 »
You could say that there are two faces to a transition, or possibly three. One is what it will cost the taxpayers to clean it up here in our industrialized countries. The fossil companies will not pay it, they will expect you to cover it, and so will your politicians.Those companies will just go into liquidation, or bankruptcy, to then leave the rest to you. Here's a example of how they push the costs away from them.

https://carbontracker.org/colorado-drillers-pay-pennies-on-the-dollar-to-plug-oil-wells/

The other are the assets, which often are situated in 'developing countries'. They face the same crisis as those 'banana republics', or palm oil states. Those based on one or two products that they sell internationally. It locks that country in.

https://carbontracker.org/petrostates-13-trillion-gap-energy-transition-pr/

the third should be the way oil gas etc still gets promoted in your country, and what the effects of a withdrawal will be on your economy and energy spending.



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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17365 on: 21/02/2021 00:59:24 »
Those facts are still what I would name imaginary as the third option is what your governments are pushing for, your banks are pushing for, and your industries. They are your pushers and you're their user.


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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17366 on: 21/02/2021 01:01:52 »
What will happen as your pushers keeps you happy is this.

https://apnews.com/article/us-deadly-winter-storms-2021-df7d37d12ef13633bb5666e1151bcf9e

and please ignore the 'likely' they pepper this article with.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17367 on: 21/02/2021 01:05:39 »
It adds to the climate debt you build up. The one that will take centuries to pay off, by your offspring's. Assuming it will be able to be paid off, which gets more unlikely by each day.


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« Reply #17368 on: 21/02/2021 01:12:07 »
https://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/4756/global_ice_loss_increases_at_record_rate

"   “The ice sheets are now following the worst-case climate warming scenarios.”  Dr Thomas Slater, Centre For Polar Observation and Modeling.  "

   
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« Reply #17369 on: 21/02/2021 01:15:49 »
It's your game. You accept it. You accept your role models. You accept their lies. You even understand them, they do what you would do, would you be in their position.
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« Reply #17370 on: 21/02/2021 01:18:12 »
That's where a real democracy comes in, building on anonymity, and equality of votes. It gives you the opportunity to say what you think and see it being implemented.
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« Reply #17371 on: 21/02/2021 01:22:42 »
It's a flat platform circumventing elites, extremes, hierarchies, industries, banks, influences on it. At least ideally. It will be a stepping stone to something better. It makes you into something more than just a cog in a machine.
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« Reply #17372 on: 21/02/2021 01:24:09 »
It will be a different game.
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« Reply #17373 on: 21/02/2021 01:37:43 »
In the mean time you continue to play a losing game. One that will make you go extinct.
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« Reply #17374 on: 21/02/2021 01:43:25 »
The tools exist, asymmetric encryption and your smart phone, your Internet, intranet, computer. We could introduce it in a year.
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« Reply #17375 on: 21/02/2021 01:44:01 »
It would be leading by example.
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« Reply #17376 on: 21/02/2021 01:49:25 »
It should also mean that you would take the step from just 'trying to adapt' to actually circumvent it. It would cost, your wallet would shrink, all of which makes sharing a priority. So it would rest on you and what responsibility you feel for what we see today.
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« Reply #17377 on: 21/02/2021 01:55:17 »
As it is.

https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/fossil-gas/eu-green-deal-politicians/

And the UK is no different, neither any other country. It's a game based on elites, hierarchies and inequality.
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« Reply #17378 on: 21/02/2021 02:00:53 »
It's easy getting disillusioned. Harder to do something. We can disconnect those people from what needs to be done, democratically.

The question is if we will.
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« Reply #17379 on: 21/02/2021 02:24:49 »
Using my pointy hat I think I can tell you what will happen if we don't disconnect people like this. It will be a increasingly unequal and repressive nation. It will pass a 'boiling point' in where you will find yourself either in a totalitarian state built on terror, or in a civil war. There is also the alternative in where 'blame games' starts a nuclear war.

Neither of those options will lead you out.
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