[jccc]

Pete,

This thread is the most asked question in every science forum. I searched them all and QM is the only answer I found. I also puzzled all my life about gravity and magnetism.

I believe you already read my hypothesis about all 3 in the past few pages. I am seriously eager to learn your thoughts about them.

I said you are my teacher and always will be, please take my word.

[Ethos_]

If you can tell me how an electron emits photon, I can learn faster. Agree?

That's not the way life works. If we could learn quantum mechanics that way then there'd be no reason to read textbooks or take courses on the subject. That's a fact that you've never been able to grasp.

Anyway, see http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy05/phy05070.htm   

It might help you.

Does it helps a pest?

You don't consider yourself a pest do you? How on earth could you come to such a conclusion.............tongue in cheek! [] []

[Ethos_]

If you can tell me how an electron emits photon, I can learn faster. Agree?

That's not the way life works. If we could learn quantum mechanics that way then there'd be no reason to read textbooks or take courses on the subject. That's a fact that you've never been able to grasp.

Anyway, see http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy05/phy05070.htm   

It might help you.

Does it helps a pest?

You don't consider yourself a pest do you? How on earth could you come to such a conclusion.............tongue in cheek! [] []

Pete says so, I trust him a lot besides QM.

If you trust him, and you should for he is quite knowledgeable, then take his advice and read a few of the links he's provided. If you give QM a chance, you might learn enough some day to have one of those extraordinary WOW moments of scientific revelation. Give it a chance.

[jccc]

Share me your WOW please, don't be a teaser.

[Ethos_]

Share me your WOW please, don't be a teaser.

Those WOW moments don't come cheaply, one must involve themselves deeply in research and study. Neither Pete nor I can just snap our fingers and reveal anything to a student that is unwilling to put forth the time and effort. A word to the wise is sufficient.

[PmbPhy]

Share me your WOW please, don't be a teaser.

Some of those texts will teach you about physics and that means learning what the job of physics is. It will tell you what physics can do and what it can't do. For example; I know that when an electron transitions from an higher quantum level in an atom to a lower one it will spit out a photon. How it does that I don't know. But it's not the job of physics to tell us that. We seek to learn such things but in the end we know that we won't get all the answers. Therefore learning the philosophy of physics will help you a great deal. The reason you're not getting the answers that you're looking for is because you're weak on knowing what physics can and can't do. It will also help you understand things such as questions like "What does it mean to say that someone is measuring the time interval between two events?" etc.

[jccc]

Pete,

What is quantum level? How electrons change level? Is it a voltage thing?

[chiralSPO]

Electrons in an atom can be described by quantum numbers (n, l, m_l and m_s) No two electrons in the same atom can have the same numbers. You can think of it as a kind of address. One can also calculate the energy of the electron based on its address (quantum numbers). see more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_number

[jeffreyH]

jccc Think of the electrons like cog wheels. When two are interlinked then as one rotates clockwise the other will have to rotate anti-clockwise. This is like spin up and spin down in a very simplified analogy. Pairs of electrons have to be in this configuration due to the Pauli exclusion principle.

[jccc]

Pete,

This thread is the most asked question in every science forum. I searched them all and QM is the only answer I found. I also puzzled all my life about gravity and magnetism.

I believe you already read my hypothesis about all 3 in the past few pages. I am seriously eager to learn your thoughts about them.

I said you are my teacher and always will be, please take my word.

Dear Pete, find any mistakes?

[chiralSPO]

jccc, I know we all sound like broken records by now, but I will repeat yet again:

Your approach is completely bass ackwards--with few exceptions, scientific progress is made by an iterative process of making observations, constructing a model based on those observations and current scientific understanding, checking the model against future observations, and finally discarding or modifying the model, repeating the cycle until there is excellent agreement between observation and theory.

Contrary to common belief, science does not tell us how the universe works, it lets us imagine systems that imitate (closely or exactly) what we observe of the universe. We will never find "truth" only good predictive models. We often use models that we know are wrong because they still make good predictions and are simple to use. As long as we know the limitations of the theories, when assumptions can be made, and how the real world is likely to deviate from the simplistic models, using "wrong" models is very practical.

You have proposed a model, but instead of checking it against observations, you are trying to "reason" that it is useful based on how much sense it makes to you. This model may be useful for making some types of predictions, but that doesn't mean that it is a correct worldview, and it doesn't imply anything about how the world works.

You claim to have a theory, but it sounds more like a "Just So" story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_So_Stories) than scientific thought.


If you really care to know more about these three questions you have, take Pete up on his offers and actually read some of the material he provides links to. You have to suspend disbelief at the begining and just try to understand the reasoning behind quantum theories. Once you learn enough about it, you will realize the ways in which it is self consistent and how it can predict/describe what goes on on molecular, atomic and subatomic scales. You will also learn where the model fails. Remember all scientific models are wrong! Some just happen to be useful anyway.

[PmbPhy]

Pete,

What is quantum level? How electrons change level? Is it a voltage thing?

I thought I made it clear to you that I will not teach you what you can find it a text. There's a huge amount of information to be digested that you're not willing to work to do.

[jccc]

Pete,

What is quantum level? How electrons change level? Is it a voltage thing?

I thought I made it clear to you that I will not teach you what you can find it a text. There's a huge amount of information to be digested that you're not willing to work to do.

Did you find any mistake in my pest theories?

Have you missed any chance to show off your science knowledge?

[Ethos_]

Still don't love me?

I am going to share your pm soon.

I think you'll find many here consider such action inappropriate.

[PmbPhy]

Still don't love me?

I am going to share your pm soon.

If you share any PM I've ever sent you then I promise never to PM you again.

[PmbPhy]

If you share any PM I've ever sent you then I promise never to PM you again.

I'm not gay from cripes sake so I don't love you.  I can barely stand you.

Please stop with this childish nonsense and act your age. I have no time for this childish behavior.

[jccc]

Well, let's get back to biz.

How come you find no bones in my ideas about gravity, magnetism and atom?

What's your take?

[PmbPhy]

How come you find no bones in my ideas about gravity, magnetism and atom?

Because I've been ignoring you. I've been waiting until the day when you decide to get serious and stop being lazy about all of this and are ready to do the work necessary to understand physics.

What are these ideas you have?

[jccc]

let me share my wow moment.

yesterday, if i can trade my life to understand any of the 3, i will.

today i found them all, at least i believe.

how do i feel?

i want to transplant into a butterfly.

[Ethos_]

let me share my wow moment.

yesterday, if i can trade my life to understand any of the 3, i will.

today i found them all, at least i believe.

how do i feel?

i want to transplant into a butterfly.

Continue with your present behavior jccc and all you can rightfully expect from everyone here is for us to start ignoring you.

As for myself, the time has come for me to do just that. Unless you start making some sense, and show real interest in learning and or sharing, you can expect no further replies from yours truly......................Bye, bye