[Vern (OP)]

Would you like to be part of this? I know you could create the diagrams for both my own and verns contentions...

...Oh God, i do hope me and vern see eye to concerning the gravitational charge-need in this theory he has advocated for many years He's a good guy too. Very patient.

It is difficult for me to get a clear view of the gravity charge you propose. It was about twenty years into searching for what could possibly cause the phenomena of gravity that I realized that the extended fields of a photon would be too weak to react with matter.

Then I realized that if this were so, and the electric and magnetic amplitude of photons is a constant, the diminished photon fields would contribute to that saturation amplitude. The result would be gravitational phenomena.

Now, although the arithmetic demands it, I have yet to see anyone offer confirmation of my contention that photons exist as saturated points of electric and magnetic amplitude.

[Mr. Scientist]

Would you like to be part of this? I know you could create the diagrams for both my own and verns contentions...

...Oh God, i do hope me and vern see eye to concerning the gravitational charge-need in this theory he has advocated for many years He's a good guy too. Very patient.

It is difficult for me to get a clear view of the gravity charge you propose. It was about twenty years into searching for what could possibly cause the phenomena of gravity that I realized that the extended fields of a photon would be too weak to react with matter.

Then I realized that if this were so, and the electric and magnetic amplitude of photons is a constant, the diminished photon fields would contribute to that saturation amplitude. The result would be gravitational phenomena.

Now, although the arithmetic demands it, I have yet to see anyone offer confirmation of my contention that photons exist as saturated points of electric and magnetic amplitude.

If you could vern, could you amplify the things which make it difficult so i may answer them as honestly as possible, because there is nothing worse than being confused.

Quick example/ it took me a year top comprehend your electromagnetical cycle componants of the photon...

[Vern (OP)]

I guess I have trouble keeping pieces of the puzzle in mind while going through long paragraphs that don't directly contribute to the puzzle.

We need the notion condensed to a concise paragraph. I can search back through your postings and see if I can do that, or you might try. []

[Mr. Scientist]

Well, straight off the top of my mind the bolded parts can be given an explanation to hopefully satisfy this:

It was about twenty years into searching for what could possibly cause the phenomena of gravity that I realized that the extended fields of a photon would be too weak to react with matter

Not if it has a gravitational couping, which was why, inexorably, i invited it into your interesting curved hypothesis.

[Vern (OP)]

I couldn't connect the bolded text with your gravity charge notion. As I recall, you proposed a magnetic monopole as the gravitational charge. That part did not sink in for me.

[Mr. Scientist]

I couldn't connect the bolded text with your gravity charge notion. As I recall, you proposed a magnetic monopole as the gravitational charge. That part did not sink in for me.

HGi vern again_ lol

Basically you agree a photon produces a gravitational field?

[Kiran The King Kai]

photon produces a gravitational field?

guys where are you >?<

What light got to do with gravity ?

[Vern (OP)]

I couldn't connect the bolded text with your gravity charge notion. As I recall, you proposed a magnetic monopole as the gravitational charge. That part did not sink in for me.

HGi vern again_ lol

Basically you agree a photon produces a gravitational field?

Yes; and I proposed the mechanism for that.

[Vern (OP)]

What light got to do with gravity ?

Light, as in the electromagnetic field, is the only source of gravity in a photon-only universe.

Light is one of multiple different sources of gravity in currently accepted theory.

[Mr. Scientist]

I couldn't connect the bolded text with your gravity charge notion. As I recall, you proposed a magnetic monopole as the gravitational charge. That part did not sink in for me.

Basically you agree a photon produces a gravitational field?

Yes; and I proposed the mechanism for that.

Cool - because that means in an elementary-sense that we actually do agree on the use of gravito-EM relationships. We have very little idea's actually  which clash.
HGi vern again_ lol

[Mr. Scientist]

I couldn't connect the bolded text with your gravity charge notion. As I recall, you proposed a magnetic monopole as the gravitational charge. That part did not sink in for me.

Because for your model to aquire a 50-50 concordance (those cycles) any time a photon crosses into a curvature and a charge is released, you said an absence of magnetic charge is valuable. So in concordance with this, i proposed this can be removed where gravitons (that stuff which creates and is the same as curvature) gobbles up that magnetic side of the photon. The two charges which inexorably remain, is the magneminity of the photon travelling a geodesic path..

[Mr. Scientist]

Do we understand each other now?

[Mr. Scientist]

In fact, i add another modification/explaination. A magnetic monopole above are gobbled by gravitons which makes the graviton field weak. The reason why the permeability between the absorption of the monopole is due to having only one pole.

[Vern (OP)]

I have not yet seen the need to name the residual fields that I visualize as gravitons. They would be changing electric and magnetic amplitude potential, but would be too weak to directly interact with anything. Photons moving through these weak fields would find their points of saturation at a slight offset toward increasing field strength of the diminished fields.

[Kiran The King Kai]

I have not yet seen the need to name the residual fields that I visualize as gravitons. They would be changing electric and magnetic amplitude potential, but would be too weak to directly interact with anything. Photons moving through these weak fields would find their points of saturation at a slight offset toward increasing field strength of the diminished fields.

guys can I join you ?
I mean only if I have time.
do I need to fill the agreement form ?

[Vern (OP)]

No form required; just think, and show us your thoughts. This is speculation, so don't be restrained in your thinking.   []

Feel free to use any ideas you find here; when you go for your Nobel, just give us honourable mention.

[Kiran The King Kai]

No form required; just think, and show us your thoughts. This is speculation, so don't be restrained in your thinking.   []

Feel free to use any ideas you find here; when you go for your Nobel, just give us honourable mention.

Did you say speculation ??
WOW I am really good at it LOL ..
Ok I need some time for this ..

[Vern (OP)]

Remember that our quest is to discover that principle that John Wheeler wrote about. From the Opening Paragraph it is:

"Some principle uniquely right and uniquely simple must, when one knows it, be also so obvious that it is clear that the universe is built, and must be built, in such and such a way and that it could not possibly be otherwise."

Then if you know anything about probability theory, and you see that relativity alone provides so much phenomena that exactly matches to the extended decimal, you see that the odds in favour of the reality advocated in the link are many millions to one.

[Mr. Scientist]

More than millions. We are talking around 10^10^123!!

Wild eh?

[Kiran The King Kai]

Good bye all !!