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meat is good.vegan is good.but just think of all the muted cry s of the plants as you rip them out of the ground incapable of the communication needed to stop you from riping them away from there home and boiling them
GOD sent me to advice and stop you guys not to eat meat.If you don't listen to me YOU GO TO HELL.
SBC,Quite a lot of the UK's higher ground is too cold and wet to grow much apart from grass. People can't eat grass so we would starve if we didn't eat animals.Why does your "moral" crusade want to see me and my neighbours dead from starvation?By the way I understand morels well enough to know they don't really figure in this discussion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorchellaMore importantly I understand the importance of morals and I don't think it's morally acceptable for you to enforce your point of view on the rest of us.It's not morally acceptable to cause unneccesary suffering to the animals we eat. We should do our best to look after them humanely (and I know there's some irony to that word).
It's not morally acceptable to cause unneccesary suffering to the animals we eat. We should do our best to look after them humanely (and I know there's some irony to that word)
QuoteIt's not morally acceptable to cause unneccesary suffering to the animals we eat. We should do our best to look after them humanely (and I know there's some irony to that word)Unfortunately, since the demands of meat are so high, conditions for animals are rarely good. & since when is killing something & eating it treating it humanely? Yes, it feels no pain after it's dead, but you can use that same argument to justify the killing of humans. One of the reasons killing things is bad is because you're preventing them from feeling where they otherwise could - enjoying the sunshine, food, to be free. Though to be honest, where most animals are killed for food, it's safe to say it's a mercy killing, given that they are raised in boxes..
What are you views on other animals towards the top end of their food chain? pick any.. say a crocodile drowning its prey.
Drowning doesn't seem like a great way to go to me. Why is that acceptable just because it is not human?
Compare that to say a bolt through the brain, a common effective means of dispatch. I know many farmers, they care for their livestock and take pride in their welfare. How many farmers do you know? Not all animals are raised in boxes. You cant tar the entire farming industry with the same brush.
The suffering crux of your argument above is flawed.
Sadly my expertise is not in nutrition, so I'll leave that to you to investigate yourself. Set aside your bias, and take a look at arguments "from the other side".
You mention honey.. what is wrong with using/consuming honey? Do you know what honey is?
I consider everyone in the world, every sentient creature, my neighbor.
So, is it more morally defensible to slaughter non-sentient creatures?"Oh! Whack them. They can't think. What do they care?"or perhaps,"I can't think. Therefore I ain't."
If something cannot percieve the world with a consciousness, how can it feel pain?This is a question I am still asking myself about plants. I plan to research it once I'm back at university. If I find that they do feel pain, I will learn to forage.
The fact remains the human race would not have evolved without being carnivores
You have to impregnate cows to get foals to get milk.
But I have canine teeth, and this and other scientific/medical evidence tells me that I'm supposed to eat meat. I can't deny this scientific evidence; however, I admit that I could not work in a slaughterhouse or go hunting.
But that's not an excuse to be a vegan.
I might not be able to withstand the gore of a surgical operation, but I would want that operation performed on me. In the same way, I'll buy meat in a store, but don't ask me to turn a live animal into a deli item. I don't even like to deal with the dead flesh of a store-bought fresh whole chicken, although I'll carve a cooked one.
Pure vegans must eat a careful diet to ensure they receive the nutrients that they don't obtain from meat and other animal products.
How are uneducated people in other countries (or our own) convinced to ignore their appetite for meat, and how are they educated to eat a vegetarian diet? How do vegans justify telling starving people not to eat animals? We're not talking about substituting textiles for animals pelts as a means of clothing ourselves. We're talking survival.
Let's not conveniently blind ourselves to other animal "crimes". Humans cause plenty of animal deaths, and not just for food. Washing our hands kills millions of bacteria.
Just because we can't hear them scream doesn't mean they don't feel the pain. Has anyone calculated the (perhaps) millions of pounds of bacteria killed yearly for the sake of "washing our hands"? If I remember correctly, we torture yeast to produce alcohol.
We gladly kill mosquitos. Whether we walk, ride bikes, drive cars or fly in planes, we kill animals for the right to transport ourselves ... the right to walk in the woods, the right to sleep away from where we work, the right to go out with friends for a dinner and a movie, the right see the autumn foliage in the fall, and the right to live on the opposite coast (or another country) from where the rest of our relatives live so we "must" fly home for the holidays. We're not even talking about eating to survive. This is merely our exercise of free will. Shoes squish bugs, cars cause road kill, airplanes strike birds, etc. The bug splatter with car windshields and radiators alone is legendary, and we surely kill plenty of animals in the making of "bug guts removal chemicals" or simply windex or windshield washer fluid just to keep our cars "pretty". Humans have run entire rivers dry -- rivers that don't even reach the sea anymore!! -- and killed off their many different animal populations just for the sake of filling our swimming pools, running the water while brushing our teeth, or watering our well-manicured lawns. The number of flying insects driven to die around the millions (or is it billions) of streetlights and other outdoor lights. Let's not pretend we live in a cutsy hobbit world except for eating meat.
I don't know the source for this morality of animal non-suffering. Animals must not suffer, but are humans allowed to?
Or do such proponents also advocate human euthanisia as well as for animals? Is non-suffering the ultimate goal? Is that all there is to life?
Anyway, I'm interested in the animal husbandry that allows a cow to have a foal.
It is all very well to say consuming meat is unnecessary, but humans have been killing and eating other animals since our ancestors appeared on the Earth. I see no reason to question nature or to alter it.