Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?

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taken partly from another of my post:

A quantum of light (a photon), may possess an infinitesimal energy and always travel at C in vacuum.

Matter can be convert into light and light into Matter. There is a working wave model for particles in Quantum theory.

Light is a very simple electromagnetic wave. It seems evident that light is the basic building block of everything. For those who would say that the electromagnetic force is not fundamental, i would reply that how can it be if a photon may have an infinitesimal energy?

I know it sounds too easy to be true and it turns everything upside down but it is logical and beautiful...
 
If a photon wave enter a highly curved spacetime region, it could catch its tail: the wave could close on itself. It would stop moving at the speed of light according to outside observers, it would appear to them as a particle and it would even create a gravitational field... You just need curving spacetime and light... Every type of particles and forces could be a question of energy density and relativistic movement (including spinning)with only some quantum states possible (arising from the electromagnetic field)... The same way the magnetic field is a relativistic effect of the electric field, the weak and nuclear force could be a relativistic effects of the electromagnetic field.

Only very high energetic photons (very short wavelength) could create matter and antimatter particles having a nuclear field. Less energetic photons created electrons and other particles, including dark matter, without a nuclear field.

I have been thinking about this for many days now and i don't see any contradiction with existing proved theory that could deny this theory. Only if light travels at a slower speed than C in vacuum and light have a non zero mass (which is possible) i did not find anything wrong, there is always an easy explanation... It even explains gravity...


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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #1 on: 09/10/2010 01:57:29 »
It explains the dichotomy of Quantum theory and Relativity theory. Quantum theory is a theory about light (ultimately) and Relativity is a theory about Gravity (curved spacetime). They are both linked with the constant C but otherwise, they are independent because the Universe is made of 2 things: light and curved spacetime (or more specifically spacetime that curves in the vicinity of light). In my opinion, a general theory should integrated curvature of spacetime to the Quantum theory in its general equations and it should use the photon as the elementary wave-particle.


C is the link between light and SpaceTime... E=MC^2...


I am not a religious freak but it is still interesting (Captain ArkAngel is only my gamertag) (-:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Extract from the Bible... [;D]
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #2 on: 09/10/2010 04:03:06 »
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle arises from the fact that a closed photon (creating a matter wave-particle) would still possess a basic spinning or rotating wave propagation speed of C...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

Light possess an electromagnetic field but no mass and it curves spacetime, it means electromagnetic field = gravity... A lightwave travelling through a prism for example, is slowed down by the curvature of spacetime in its path caused by the nearby particles "gravitational" field. Light always takes the shortest path...

Please see this and look in the table, you will find the same long distance behavior and range for both electromagnetic and gravitation forces: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_forces

It is basically the same force. Quantum Electrodynamic Theory (quantum theory of light interactions with matter) sees it as an electromagnetic field and General Relativity sees it as Gravitation...

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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #3 on: 09/10/2010 09:54:13 »
Interesting ArkAngel. Trying to get the sequence right. So a photon can loop on itself forming all the particles, including quarks we see (and don't see). It can loop on itself because of space time curvature, curvature it can self-generate depending on it's frequency. Right?

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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #4 on: 09/10/2010 17:01:49 »
You need high energy photons (high frequency) and maybe a very high energy density medium for nuclear particles, like at the time of the Bigbang. Maybe it is made from only one photon... Maybe gravity appears from the cancellation of 2 or more photons electromagnetic waves... It would agree with actual Physics of Particles. Charged particles are made by partial cancellations...

All or almost all particles having a strong nuclear field have been made at the Bigbang. Even a star doesn't produce them, it fuses them...

Electromagnetic force is about opened waves (light) and about "free" waves (or remnant waves, = electric charge) of a particle. Gravity is about closed waves of light (if you prefer, cancelled waves)...


After having found the final solution, the free remnant wave is not a moving wave, but it is the static charge (you can see it as a standing wave when at rest)... Charged elementary particles are not made by partial cancellation. All elementary matter particles are made of total cancellation, though some photons may be emitted for energy conservation. The charge may be cancelled or not. If the charge is cancelled, it becomes a Dark Matter particle.
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #5 on: 10/10/2010 23:04:39 »
I did some calculations about the minimum energy needed for a photon to become a particle having a strong nuclear field.

The wavelength has to be smaller than the strong nuclear force range

For only 1 photon in a circular wave:
λ < 2pi * 10(exp-15) (circular wave of circumference = 2piR, this is an approximation)

For λ = 2pi * 10(exp-15)
E = 1,24/2pi GeV This is the absolute lower limit of photon's energy to get a particle having a strong nuclear field.

For 2 photons cancellation they both need
λ < 2*10(exp-15)
E < 1,24/2 GeV

Look at QCD scale here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupling_constant

the bottom quark mass has about 5 GeV (at least, the order of energy quantity is good), 8 could be the wave integer number of the bottom Quark 8 * 1,24/2 GeV = 4,96 GeV... but 10(exp-15) is an approximation of the strong force range, it still give a good idea of the process... The bottom quark is a charged particle, meaning it is made from a partial cancellation, most energy is stored in the nuclear field as mass and some as the electromagnetic field (the charge). The electromagnetic field may have a part of its energy as mass because electrons have a mass, a particle with mass is a closed wave... The mass of the electron is stored in the electromagnetic closed wave without the effect of a nuclear field, the charge has the energy of the remnant "free" or uncancelled wave, that is why it is a light particle. Electrons are elementary particles because only photons can produce them. This is a stable quantum state of partial waves cancellation...

see this about quark mass measurements... http://indico.bnl.gov/getFile.py/access?contribId=155&sessionId=33&resId=0&materialId=slides&confId=189
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #6 on: 11/10/2010 04:57:31 »
Light possess an electromagnetic field but no mass and it curves spacetime, it means electromagnetic field = gravity... A lightwave travelling through a prism for example, is slowed down by the curvature of spacetime in its path caused by the nearby particles gravitational field. Light always takes the shortest path...

There's 2 mistakes here.  First, what curves space-time in general relativity is a quantity called the stress-energy tensor, which basically is a measure of energy and momentum as well as their flows in space and time.  Although it doesn't have mass, light has energy and momentum, so it can curve space-time.  In fact, mass can be related to energy and momentum, which is why mass can be thought of as curving space-time. 

Second, light bends in a prism because it slows down when it enters the glass.  The fundamental reason for this is electromagnetic interactions between light and the glass, not gravity.  Gravity would be far too weak to have such a large effect.

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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #7 on: 11/10/2010 05:04:37 »
I've seen a lot of posts on theories that electromagnetism is the only force and that everything can be derived from it.  The problem is that the other forces and particles have properties that the electromagnetism and the photon don't.  Maybe photons can combine in some undiscovered way that gives rise to all the other properties that have been observed.  I don't know if someone's proved that they can't, but certainly no one has proved that they can.

However, various theories of everything are trying to do things similar to this--postulating that everything arises from some simpler mechanism.  Maybe in that case everything, including photons, are made up from some simpler elements.

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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #8 on: 11/10/2010 05:10:35 »
You are right but i did not say that light has a mass but only it curves spacetime because it is not a closed wave. For the prism, i should not use the term gravity because the light is affected mostly by the interaction of "free" waves (the charges) and not significantly by the closed waves (gravitational lightwaves)... But still, light takes the shortest path. I used the term gravity just to emphasized my theory that gravity and electromagnetism are the same type of field, closed wave vs opened wave.

Correctio: Light travel through space along the basic curvature of space produced by matter (rotating photons).
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #9 on: 11/10/2010 05:15:26 »
it is not possible right now to produce photons with enough energy to make a particle having a strong nuclear field. But theoretically, it could answer many problems of modern physics...

The only explanation for E=MC2 is that matter is entirely related to light. Is there another wave-particle having the speed of C? Even neutrinos are not supposed to travel at C and have a mass...

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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #10 on: 11/10/2010 06:24:41 »
The only explanation for E=MC2 is that matter is entirely related to light.

Why?  I don't see how that follows.  I think that saying everything is entirely related to energy would work better.  Also, the full equation is
E2 = (mc2)2 + (cp)2 (see Lightarrow's good explanation here,)
so it might be more proper to say that all mass can be written as contributions from energy and momentum.  Light is a special case with zero mass, while most matter has non-zero mass.
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #11 on: 11/10/2010 06:59:07 »
Yes, total energy is mass energy + kinetic energy, but kinetic energy is totally relativistic not mass... Not the rest mass. C is the relation of light to Spacetime in an absolute manner, C is constant... Even then, there is still C in the relativistic part of the energy...

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #12 on: 11/10/2010 08:12:34 »
Sure, you can define relativistic mass, mr, in order to make E=mrc2 hold, but then you've just rewritten the above equation so that the particle velocity is absorbed into the mass term.  I'm still confused as to how this justifies your claim:
The only explanation for E=MC2 is that matter is entirely related to light.

I really don't understand how it's the only explanation for this.  Looking at the equation, I just see that mass is proportional to energy.
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« Reply #13 on: 11/10/2010 21:40:37 »
I really don't understand how it's the only explanation for this.  Looking at the equation, I just see that mass is proportional to energy.

Thank you JP, it is a very insightful comment. At first glance, what you says look right but "C" is not a dimensionless constant, it is truly the speed of light...

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« Reply #14 on: 11/10/2010 21:55:06 »
see this: http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/accel/burke_prl_79_1626_97.pdf

A positron-electron pair can be produced by photons alone... How the gravitational field of the electron and the positron appeared from photons alone?  [:)]

How can they have predicted it? Because the problem is already solved but people are not looking at the right angle. E=MC2, light has no mass and a constant relative speed of C.
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #15 on: 11/10/2010 22:42:36 »
If I were to look at a particle ant-particle annihilation and it produced x number of particles then I would say those are the basic constituent's of matter but that is not what we see. We just see radiation.
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #16 on: 12/10/2010 00:20:55 »
Yes Ron, and check this:

p (the momentum of the photon) is related to its electromagnetic field frequency (or wavelength).

For a photon:
p = h/λ
E = p*c = h/λ*c , for a photon, its energy is entirely in its electromagnetic field

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity
 

My theory says that the electromagnetic energy is transfer into gravitational energy when there is cancellation of the electromagnetic waves (the waves are trapped or closed).

For a 2 photons total cancellation (all electromagnetic energy is transfer into “rest” mass), if the “rest” mass is made entirely of light, as I am assuming, the closed photons are still moving at C, rotating and spinning, but they appear to have a gravitational field (mass) but no electromagnetic field for an outside observer. What is very interesting is that both fixed referential frames, the outside observer and the center of the created particle, will have the same measurement of the speed of light C. Since the experience is about light and spacetime, there is no relativity because the speed V of light is the same for all fixed referential frames.

If we are in a world made of Spacetime and Light alone, there is no such thing as “rest” mass. Light has an energy momentum (p*c) and no rest mass. The rest mass (or if you prefer gravity) would appear from purely momentum energy.

For a 2 photons total cancellation having both an equivalent energy of M/2, where M is the final equivalent "rest" mass
The energy momentum in a nonrelativistic spacetime before and after cancellation should be equal (though the direction of the momentum are opposite, they should add together in a rotating wave (spherical in 3D) because photons are elementary particles, they cannot be annihilated!):

E= h/ʎ*c + h/ʎ*c = p*c + p*c (Before as photons) = p*c + p*c (after, as massive particles with no rest mass) = ˝ m*v*c + ˝ m*v*c = MC2

N.B.: Don't forget that the rest mass is nonexistent in a world made of light and spacetime, m appears from the transfer of electromagnetic energy fields cancellation into a gravitational energy field that is producing a kinetic mass. That's not the way we see it but that's the way we should see it because it comes from pure momentum of energy.
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #17 on: 12/10/2010 04:38:09 »
it seems like time appears from the creation of a gravitational field, thus relativity.

If you are in one of the photons referential frame before cancellation, you have no time rate but you are still going through space, so space exist but there is no time rate. Space for you is linear because you travel at C wherever you go (you always take the shortest path). After cancellation, if the photon is a kind of standing wave (but still rotating and spinning at the speed of light, duality of wave-particle emerging), time appears instantly for the particle from infinitely small Δt0 to Δt of the relativistic spacetime we know (where Δt is the rate of passing time).

Time rate, as gravitation, comes from the acceleration of the energy momentum of photons (as vectors) rotating and spinning as a particle. If you accelerate in space, you accelerate all photons energy momentum you are made of, you will have a slower local time rate and you will feel gravity (or acceleration if you prefer). Relativity and m = infinity at V=C, is a proof that everything is made of light.

You cannot accelerate faster than light because you are made of light!!!

Gravity is simply the vectors of the accelerated momentum of photons (and it is still truly and electromagnetic field, with no effective charge (cancelled))
(static charges)
It means an elementary particle has a mass inversely proportional to its size...
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #18 on: 12/10/2010 07:16:22 »
This is an interesting discussion, but to avoid any confusion, I think it's best if we move this topic to the New Theories section.

Please send me a PM if you think this is inappropriate.

 
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« Reply #19 on: 12/10/2010 07:29:53 »
I really don't understand how it's the only explanation for this.  Looking at the equation, I just see that mass is proportional to energy.

Thank you JP, it is a very insightful comment. At first glance, what you says look right but "C" is not a dimensionless constant, it is truly the speed of light...

I never said it had to be dimensionless!  It certainly can be, if you measure mass in units of energy (high energy physics does this all the time)!  But regardless of units, its a constant, so the left hand side is proportional to the right.

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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #20 on: 12/10/2010 07:29:53 »
CPT, thank you for well articulating what I've been trying to get at in a couple of posts. My thinking, though, is that non-electromagnetic energy is the result of light losing momentum and matter is the result of light losing energy and momentum.

It seems to me the only thing that could slow down a photon would be running into other photons. Whenever would this be more likely then right after the big bang?

Obviously you understand the math better than I do, so thank you for this post.

Lastly, I have to say, I wonder if a singularity isn't a photon that has completely lost all of it's momentum and energy (as a result of the early collisions). Things tend to become infinite or zero when they reach C, as with singularities. So, if light stops...?

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« Reply #21 on: 12/10/2010 23:40:53 »
light never really stops...
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« Reply #22 on: 13/10/2010 02:02:08 »
What do you think the frequency of the CMBR was at 10^6 years? Inflation was another mainstream invention to cover up their lack of knowledge. It's bull poop.
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« Reply #23 on: 13/10/2010 02:46:57 »
The reference timeline they use is wrong because they don't use the photon as the elementary particle.

I would add that not only gravity but also quantization of energy has arise from the particles creation (with time and gravity) since the BigBang.

Here is another "big" proof of the well founded of this theory, i should have seen it much earlier...:

Matter-Antimatter annihilation!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation

If you accelerate enough a pair of positron-electron and collide them together, you can produce heavier particles. It seems to contradict my theory. Not at all, at collision, the positron-electron pair is still annihilated and produces photons. If the collision has a good enough symmetry, the photons accelerated energy momentum will produce heavier particles, because the photons total energy momentum in space is in the quantization range of a stable heavier particles creation, otherwise, they remain gamma photons: the true elementary particles (supposing we can call them "particles")...

The quantization information is stored in light itself, it is thus a property of light vs space (time information is stored in light, in its frequency i guess, thus the relativity of time vs Doppler effect)...

In fact, photons may have any frequencies if there is no preferential frame of reference (according to relativity and Doppler effect). For massive particles, it is not the case. Locally, they all have only finite energy states possible (quantum states). All massive particles are in fact relatively stable quantum states of the continuum of light. They appear from interaction between photons energy momentum. If two photons collide and a spherical wave, still traveling at the speed of light, appear in a stable state, a particle is created. Its gravity will arise from the acceleration in its linear momentum. Gravity has exactly the same momentum as the acceleration vector. It reconciles Quantum Theory with General Relativity.

In 2D space, you can see a massive particle as a rotating wave of a fixed number of wavelength, i would call it the primary quantum state number. The mass appears from the cancelled wave so the primary number can only be an integer of a wavelength (1, 2, 3, ...).

Black holes are only in primary states, only a gravitational field is maintained.. We now know that there is supermassive black holes at the center of most galaxies. They are probably the most stable particles in the Universe we know. There is a high probability that there is a type of low energy density particles in primal states. I highly suspect that this type of particles account for a very important part of Dark Matter because they should occur naturally in our Universe.

In a 2 photons cancellation, if these 2 photons did not cancelled their charges, the charge (static field) is inside the rotating wave. The simplest form of it is the electron and positron pair which possess opposite charges (one positive and the other negative). The electrostatic charge of a particle is it secondary quantum state and its gravitational energy momentum is its primary quantum state. The secondary quantum state can only be 0,+/-1, +/-2, +/-3...

If the primary number is 1 for the electron, using the energy of a photon having the energy of the electron mass (mc2=one wavelength), i calculated that its size should be about 3.86 x 10-13 m.

E = hc/λ = mc^2, λ = h/mc = 2*pi*R (for a circumference of one wavelength, primary number=1)

electron diameter = 2R = h/(pi*m*c) 

if the primary number is 2, its size would double to 7.72 x 10-13 m.

http://ag-physics.org/electron/  It totally agrees!!

Please read section 1 and 3 The "Zitterbewegung" and the Experimental Situation. I solved their problem... photons have no mass and they have a speed of c...

The electric charge associated energy momentum comes only from interactions with other particles and photons (ultimately, photons alone...).


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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #24 on: 13/10/2010 16:19:02 »
Is there no answer for the CMBR question? A guess would be fine.

In an annihilation, no matter how fast the particle pair are moving, the total energy released will be radiation.  There may be some short lived wave forms that the mainstream wants to call a particle but then these too turn. into radiation.
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Re: Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #25 on: 14/10/2010 02:06:33 »
First, we need to know the entire energy of the Universe to answer the question...  Secondly, we need to know how large it was at a specific time... Both has to be measured. How you can measure it if you cannot see it? You can only measure it indirectly. We need to know all possible quantum states of light, including Dark matter. So the answer is simply:  i don't know...

http://www.universetoday.com/8053/early-universes-rapid-expansion-confirmed/

But, i think at the starting time (T=0+), the Universe had the size of an equivalent energy black hole's event horizon. At time 0+, all the energy momentum of the Universe is an unstable quantum state and exploded releasing the light. It means we are born from a black hole reaching the breaking point (or maybe a collision or a near collision). Black holes are in a stable quantum state. From our point of view, the energy range of the black holes quantum state may seems very large but not in a multiverse point of view.

If time stop at the event horizon, light has to rotate at the event horizon, because if time has stopped, there is no gravitational field possible... There is no quantum states possible for matter particles going through the event horizon. Matter would be accelerated until it breaks into photons and would join the light rotating at the event horizon. There is a gravitational field outside of it (and inside in the opposite direction). It means that a black hole is a very large rotating (spinning?) wave with only gravity as force field (total cancellation). You can see it only by interactions of energy with it (breaking its symmetry).


Theoretically, our Universe could be in the middle of a black hole with the event horizon being at the edge of it. Gravity from the rotating wave at the edge of the Universe would appear as Dark energy for everything in the Universe. This would mean The BigBang occurred from the collision of two Black holes of Universe scale sizes. If two Universe scale sizes black holes collide, big chunks of energy could aggregate in the middle of it and eventually could become a black hole or many black holes. Collisions of these Universe mass sizes black holes could produce BigBangs and it would explain Dark Energy...

No singularity (singularity solved). Dark energy solved? Holographic Universe or not?

N.B.: In any case, i use 2D space when i say rotating but it has a spin in 3D to produce a sphere...
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« Reply #26 on: 14/10/2010 02:33:55 »
Space is linear for light and light has no timerate. The zero (rate) timeline  of a particle would be its size but it would change in space at the speed of light due to interactions with its surrounding fields. Eiseinberg principle may arise from an absolute minimum energy interaction needed to measure its position in time (related to 0 Kelvin degree)... But still, it is independent of the way you measure it... The way you measure it will add a second mathematical term...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle





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Could the photon be the sole elementary particle?
« Reply #28 on: 15/10/2010 23:57:01 »
Explanations of the meaning of the 0 rate timeline.

Photons always travel at a constant speed of C because there is no timerate in the spaceline they travel. It means there is no timerate in a pure vacuum because if you send only one photon in any direction in it, it will go straight through it... If you go there, you experience time by the interactions of your own photons electromagnetic fields... It may means space is an illusion because your perception comes from photons interactions alone...holographic world???? Would it mean we have a soul if there is no space???? If two people enter the vacuum, their common experience (maybe existence) would come from photons interactions between each other. So to have a common experience we all need a minimum radiating energy. It agrees with thermodynamics laws. Does it mean a black hole will emit radiation?

See this  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

http://www.absolutezerocampaign.org/absolute-zero-temperature.html

Time appears only from photons interactions... that is why i say time information is in the light itself...

Photons have no timerate but they are electromagnetic quantum waves with specific frequencies and wavelengths in space...
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« Reply #29 on: 17/10/2010 16:34:15 »
Quasars are produced by ring black holes. Black holes gravitation is produced by light waves forming a ring shape. This light waves produce gravity by cancelling each other electromagnetic field.

The x-ray beams come from the acceleration of charged particles through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar

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« Reply #30 on: 19/10/2010 00:56:18 »
I found the gravitational waves... It is time itself...

Electromagnetic field and gravitational field are mutually exclusive. The electromagnetic waves travel in 0 timerate spaceline and they produce frequency. Gravitational light waves still travel in 0 timerate (but relative to the particle) spaceline but produce time...

"A photon has always 2 halves elementary charges one of +e/2 and one of -e/2 where e=1.602×10−19 C, for a total of zero. It is frequency independent.

The creation of electron-positron pairs by the collision of two photons have been experimentally proved. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/accel/burke_prl_79_1626_97.pdf

The collision of these photons produces 2 rotating photons having each a static elementary charge, electron negative and positron positive. Total charge is conserved. It is a static charge that produces a static electrical field in the particle referential frame. This static charge is in the middle of the rotating photon. Electromagnetic waves will be produced only by relative movement of other static charges and direct interactions with electromagnetic field from other photons. If you put an electron in a pure vacuum, there is absolutely no electromagnetic wave existing (the charge is static and non active), the electromagnetic field is cancelled and has no energy momentum associated to it..."

When 2 rotational waves appear from a collision of two photons, the charges become quasi-static and the light waves are depleted from their free-frequency and become gravitational light waves, they produce gravitational waves (time) and have the same momentum of energy ( E=hν ==> E=MC2 ). They are still lightwaves but with no frequency but a timerate associated to it... 1/s ==> s ...

(pay attention to that, the rotational light waves produce timewaves but are not timewaves. You measure the effect of timewaves by measuring time!!! When you measure relative timerate of two localities, you measure its difference in gravity and acceleration. Acceleration of the energy momentum of a massive particle produces a deceleration of time as gravity does. Gravity is produced by the radial acceleration of photon in a closed form, massive particle form.)

Time should propagates at the speed of light... The timerate you experience is the sum of all timewaves at every specific locality of every massive elementary particles of your body. The sum is the effective gravitational field. So every particle has its own relative timerate.

Time is totally localized thus the existence of Relativity.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96095009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/41740

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« Reply #31 on: 19/10/2010 01:42:13 »
Cp, one should think the creation of the pairs would be very significant in explaining how they were produced (the actual sequence of events in their creation).
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« Reply #32 on: 19/10/2010 01:47:07 »
Be more specific Ron, my brain has not much remaining momentum... [;)] I will, but only tomorrow...
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« Reply #33 on: 19/10/2010 19:15:06 »
You seem to have hit upon an idea that I have explored since around 1986. Photon Theory is fascinating. A universe made of light.

I have some particle sizes to scale assuming they are made up as you say --- A photon curls around and locks into the curl. I know the reason for the curl, and the strength of it.

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« Reply #34 on: 19/10/2010 20:58:25 »
I have just read it, you were quite right!!! Keep on your good work!!!


This is just the beginning...
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« Reply #35 on: 23/10/2010 04:34:56 »
The meaning of the Planck constant and the relation to the radius of an elementary particle or a blackhole.


For a particle having a shape of one wavelength like the electron:

E = h*ν = M*C^2

E = h*C/λ = M*C^2

=> h/λ = M*C

=> h/C = M*λ = constant = M*2πR   ( see Compton wavelength: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_wavelength )

For a circular gravitational light wave, λ = 2πR = the circumference of the particle
M*2πR = h/C
R = h/(2π*M*C) ;this is the maximum radius of a particle a "rest" mass M

For a spherical gravitational light wave, λ = 4πR^2 = the surface of the particle
M*4πR^2 = h/C
R = √[h/(4π*M*C)] ;this is the minimum radius of a particle having a "rest" mass M

Thus √[h/(4π*M*C)] < R < h/(2π*M*C) ; you have to normalized units to use this equation because of the square root.

R(circular) = √2*R(spherical) if M is constant

For Blackholes and particles having a shape made of multiple wavelengths:

h/C = M*λ/N

where N is the basic Quantum number of basic Quantum wavelength λ (or Planck length * 2π : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length).

=> C = (h*N)/(M*λ) where λ = 2π * [(h*G)/(2π*C^3)]^1/2

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/planck/node2.html
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« Reply #36 on: 23/10/2010 09:36:58 »
Why is this so different from String Theory, or M Theory?

Photons seem to be forms of energy that have the ability to propagate through space. Whether photons are particles, or energy in space seems to be open to debate. Either way, does it not seem that space endows photons with some remarkable capabilities? So, are we not really debating the true character of space?


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« Reply #37 on: 23/10/2010 19:26:38 »
geezer, we are indeed discussing the character of space. I and many like me think that matter is made from this character of space. As I mentioned earlier I think that character is an expanding electric field which like Vern's idea was curled into matter.

I would also like to say that I did not intend to denigrate the marvelous work of mainstream scientists. The majority of the scientific community consider QM and it's standard model the main tool in the search for the truth and as such is taught in the institutions of higher learning. No matter how much you may disagree you know that students will consider it to be the only truth because of the enormous predicting powers of QM. QM is a statistical data analysis system that predicts the probability of an event occurring. I can predict that someone in the world will die in an automobile accident in the next sixty seconds with almost a hundred percent chance of being correct not because I have any knowledge of what caused the accident but I have data about what has happened in the past. Science made advances because some people went away from what the majority considered to be the truth.
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« Reply #38 on: 24/10/2010 18:53:14 »
It is a debate about the true nature of Space, Time and Energy.

Physics laws of Nature is a big puzzle. The Standard model gives us 2 main incompleted pieces, Relativity Theory about gravity and acceleration and Quantum Theory about the quantization of energy in particles. They both work pretty well in there own domain but they cannot explain each other. For examples, Relativity needs Quantum Theory to explain the physics of Blackholes (impossible singularity) and Quantum Theory needs Relativity to explain the physics of particles (unknown shapes and sizes).

Unification of gravity with electromagnetism and nuclear forces would link these two part of the puzzle...

Nuclear Forces actual model has been construct empirically by experimentation and observations. We have nuclear bomb and fission reactors that account for the success of this model, but it is incomplete. Physicists, who have been making this model, have accomplished a tremendous work because they start from a simple and incompleted model.

After a Unifying Theory, we should be able to build fusion reactors in a few years... And what about Nanotechnology and Superconductivity...?
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« Reply #39 on: 25/10/2010 00:48:50 »
Thanks CPT. I think I understand that. What I'm struggling with is why this so different from String Theory? Does this not also require additional dimensions? Are extra dimension not somewhat similar to having things "curled up in space"?
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« Reply #40 on: 25/10/2010 11:47:33 »
Are extra dimension not somewhat similar to having things "curled up in space"?
Or indeed necessary for?????

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« Reply #41 on: 25/10/2010 23:44:48 »
I don't need 10 or 11 dimensions. I just need 4 or 5 dimensions. String Theories are interesting but they did not predict anything proved yet... Until now, String theories seems to emerge from a common mathematical framework. They are defined by data from experimentation within the Standard model of particles. Maybe someday, this mathematical framework will lead to new discoveries...

I just need the four dimensions of space and time and maybe a fifth for the charges. The rotating photons are in space and their effects in time and space and maybe a fifth dimension for the charges...

See this!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Kaluza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza-Klein_theory

This theory has never been disproved. Einstein and his colleagues stop investigating it when they found no mathematical solution. But i think i know why, because gravity and electromagnetism are mutually exclusive (duality wave-particle)... I am working on it...
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« Reply #42 on: 26/10/2010 18:44:40 »
That was really my only point. They both rely on additional dimensions.

If there are additional dimensions, why would a smaller number be necessarily any better?
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« Reply #43 on: 28/10/2010 17:51:54 »
Less dimensions is not necessarily better but it is simpler...

There is no string in my theory but there is minimum quantum length and energy. I still have to find how quantization of particles appears in spacetime.

The key point is that Gravity and acceleration are the same as Time rate... If you have no change in acceleration or gravity, you have a fixed timerate. The zero timerate line of the particles explains the Relativity Theory.

 

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« Reply #45 on: 17/11/2010 12:05:02 »
I don't think this should have been moved from physics.

It has been proven in experimental physics that all matter is made from light. Light is also a fundamental particle, which would make it the fundamental consituent of all matter. No physicist argues with this, so why was this moved? Or atleast, no credible scientist argues with this.

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« Reply #46 on: 17/11/2010 12:10:54 »
I moved this thread because the claims being made were highly speculative and not based on mainstream physics.  The main purpose of this forum is a science Q&A forum and if speculative posts are left outside of New Theories, it can confuse and mislead those who show up to ask questions.

I think what no credible scientist would argue with is energy is the currency of physics, and light and all other particles can be created from energy (as long as certain conservation laws are kept in mind).  As for particles literally being made up of photons, that's certainly outside of the mainstream.

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« Reply #47 on: 17/11/2010 15:07:56 »
It has been proven in experimental physics that all matter is made from light.

That is simply nonsense.
Ypu may be getting confused with this: Mass-energy_equivalence

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« Reply #48 on: 17/11/2010 19:56:44 »
It has been proven in experimental physics that all matter is made from light.

That is simply nonsense.
Ypu may be getting confused with this: Mass-energy_equivalence

Not at all.

Are you familiar with a more successful site called ''sciforums''?

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« Reply #49 on: 17/11/2010 21:30:36 »
Not at all.

Are you familiar with a more successful site called ''sciforums''?

a) What's your definition of successful, exactly? Are talking quality or quantity? Should 'sciforums' now be recognised as a peer review body?
b) If you've got some amazing 'new' evidence that the whole of the respected scientific community doesn;t know about why not reference it here for us ignoramuses.