[Batroost]

Wrong - it was 2112

[Mjhavok]

God is an imagined anthropomorphic personification. A malignant meme. A pernicious, malevolent, capricious dictator.

[Batroost]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
     Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
     Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
     Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
     Then why call him God?

Epicurus - had it figured-out 2300 years ago...

[Mjhavok]

Which god?

[Batroost]

To quote Pratchett: "All religions are true, for a given value of true"

[Ben6789]

God is both willing and able, I think God just wants people to be good through choice not through slavery. Evil comes from Freedom but so does love- Its a choice. You are who you choose to be.
So by giving us freedom God allows people to be evil as well as good- But God loves us and wants us to be good and free.
If you use your gift of life to destroy others then- It is your funneral.
I think God wants to save as many as possible so God gives enought time to each to decided what he/she wants to be- Angel or demon.
Your choice- Your life- your death.
God does'nt kill people- people do.
You have your alotted time so use it as you want- You are in the end free.
Well if your good your free- the Devil makes you his slave. 

Nice post Jolly.[]

[Batroost]

But God loves us

And also gives us Earthquakes, and Volcanoes, and Lightning Strikes, and Tsunamis, and Tornadoes, Flooding, Cylones, Hurricanes, disease, droughts and age-related illneses ...?

 

[that mad man]

Saying you have a belief in God is fine by me but, it is a personal individual feeling so accept that it is not always shared.


If you believe that God has put you here and that he has also given you free will, will he interfere with man's future decisions?

Bee

[tony6789 (OP)]

could there be more than one god? like maybe the god that some of us believe in has a mom and a dad?

[Batroost]

God is not a reason (as there is no God).

[RMorty]

 Jolly,

  Good point about the fact that god doesn't matter if a person is only moral because of fear.

  Someone who is religious. Please explain how Christ died for everyone's sin.  I wasn't alive when he died on the cross, what sins exactly?  If the world still has sin did he really die to so anything to sin?  Also, the thing saying that everyone has a sin once they're born "the cardinal sin" or whatever it is called, that thing... it really sets off my bullshit alarm.

  For those of you who are naturalists.  You don't believe in a deity as this topic is discussing so that sort of information has no place here, it simply created more angles to look at things, which are off topic.

  If you believe that there is a god that created anything, if you are a deist, if you believe in Greek gods etc.

  Scientology isn't involving a "god", nor is naturalism. 

Back on track now.  If there is a god, then why does he demand that we all believe by faith?  What's wrong with telling us he is real.  If I had tangible proof then I would have no doubt.  If I tell you that I had $867 shoved up my ass crack, and I told you I did, and then, I asked you if you believed me, then you said yes.  Then how about I say, if you reach up my ass and grab the money it's yours?  Would you do it just to find out I was cuddling  with you?  It would make it easier if I said, hey, here's the money, now its going between my ass cheeks and if you are man/woman enough to reach in there and take it it's yours.

  That is a really jacked up analogy I know, but it works.  Sure I can spend 1/7th of my week praising the unknown to die and realize that there is nothingness (if realizing a reality in nothingness were possible).  Or, God could simply let he world know he exists without a doubt then the logical people wouldn't have to wonder about it.

  Sure, I think the idea of a loving god id nice, but I CAN'T, I literally CAN'T, I can lie and say yes I believe in god, but I don't and the way preachers put it, that's what counts.

  My belief is that I didn't exist before I was born, and I won't exist afterwards.  As a matter of fact, thinking that I won't exist once I am dead is more comforting than believing that I will either spend eternity in bliss or eternity in a place full of pain and anguish.

  it's also funny that god loves you until you're dead.  He loves everyone no matter how much she sins, but once they die... bye bye.

 Also a parting thought.. isn't the devil a "good guy." I mean think about it. If he is punishing those who "betray god" isn't he sort of like an employee? lol. Like a jailer is to the legal system?

[tony6789 (OP)]

God is not a reason (as there is no God).

that is an extremely bold quote Batroost and my and i assume others probably dont appreciate that. You can express your opinion on this site but dont flat out say stuff like its a fact refer to it as your opinion. thx

[Ben6789]

I don't appreciate it that's for sure.

But is bold the right word?

[Ben6789]

But God loves us

And also gives us Earthquakes, and Volcanoes, and Lightning Strikes, and Tsunamis, and Tornadoes, Flooding, Cylones, Hurricanes, disease, droughts and age-related illneses ...?

 

God uses these catastrophes to turn people to him. Sin also causes all of those. So you can't entirly blame God.

If there's a war..did God start that war? Or did people start that war?

..Or did natural sinful nature make us start that war?

[Batroost]

Quote from: Batroost on 19/04/2007 19:27:19
God is not a reason (as there is no God).


that is an extremely bold quote Batroost and my and i assume others probably dont appreciate that. You can express your opinion on this site but dont flat out say stuff like its a fact refer to it as your opinion. thx

You're absolutely right. In my opinion "God is not a reason (as there is no God)."

Now, can I see the same qualification from those who so blatently assert the existence of a deity?

No offence intended of course but why does theology always seem to find its way onto Science Forums? - I've got no excuse really, I studied Theology alongside my Physics degree.

[tony6789 (OP)]

yea i agrre with u there are many things that disprove god but there are also many that prove his existance

[that mad man]

Ben6789.

Sin is a Christian concept that only applies to the Christian religion and those taught "the word of god" within it. The concept of sin does not appear until late into the bible (Romans) where Paul interpreted it differently. He had to as without sinning Christianity would mean nothing i.e. Jesus would not have died for OUR sins. God never mentions sin in Genesis, where it was supposed to happen nor did Jesus mention it. Also one reason the Jewish religion does not believe in sin.

The problem is that under the Christian religion there can be no salvation without sinning first as the whole Christian ideal depends on sin, redemption and being scared of God!

So sin is relative to what you believe, or not as it does not affect all.


Bee

[Seany]

Also a parting thought.. isn't the devil a "good guy." I mean think about it. If he is punishing those who "betray god" isn't he sort of like an employee? lol. Like a jailer is to the legal system?

Cool! I never thought of it that way! But then again, Jesus would punish anyone who sins, but would always forgive. I don't think the devil forgives, and punishes them too much, just for their own sake and happiness.

[Mjhavok]

God is not a reason (as there is no God).

Neither does Santa

[another_someone]

yea i agrre with u there are many things that disprove god but there are also many that prove his existance

This is a contradiction.  You cannot simultaneously prove and disprove.  What you can say is that there is evidence for, and evidence against; but proof implies an absolute for which there can be no contrary.