[Geezer]

I think maybe a great percentage of UFO's could be government experiments.

I think a great percentage of UFO's could be the result of people having one too many before heading home from the pub.

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Agreed, but the camera does not drink.

All jokes aside, there is a real phenomena, and it exists all around the world, even NASA has evidence that the UFO phenomenon is real, and it's closed-minded individuals like yourself that does it no justice. Who in there right mind today, including professionals in their fields will deny these objects are being observed, instead of making assinine comments like the one you have?

[imatfaal]

Includes the brilliant line "electronic electromagnetic plasma kind-of death ray" 

Sorry but if that is the proof... 

And can't they get a decent video camera on the shuttle - my phone takes better video than that!

[QuantumClue (OP)]

I don't consider the video proof of anything, but many parts of the video have been examined by NASA - which on a purely educational ground, was my stance that the phenomenon was real.

People, stop getting so hung up on these videos, please. I don't support them as proof of anything.

[SteveFish]

OK QuantumClue, please give the evidence that the phenomena "exists all around the world, even NASA has evidence that the UFO phenomenon is real" and quit making unsupported assertions. Steve

[QuantumClue (OP)]

I do not have information on NASA readily available, only what I know and have committed to memory steve. I know they have looked into the phenomena. I know they know it must exist in some form, even if they are not considered to be extraterrestrial.

And I surely don't need to support the part ''they are observed all over the world...'' surely? Have you never read UFO books, such as Nick Popes? Your question seems somewhat... bizarre - do you not believe other people over the world see these things? Oh well, good old wiki will come to the rescue there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_sightings

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Here scrap that; here is some proof NASA does look into these things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_outer_space

[SteveFish]

QuantumClue, all there is in your link is a bunch of disputed sightings of unidentified objects. There is absolutely no evidence at all that the bits and pieces observed had anything whatever to do with extraterrestrial alien space ships. When there is no evidence at all for this it is irrational to jump to a pretty extravagant conclusion. People see things, like you they provide an explanation that suits their fancy. I repeat, just supply some credible evidence. Because NASA is a public agency I would think it should be easy to find some document that they sign on to. Steve

[Geezer]

Well, yes, UFO's are real enough. By definition, there are many sightings of "unidentified flying objects". If we knew what they were, they wouldn't be unidentified.

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Am I talking to myself? I will ask the thread to be closed if people stop making assinine comments.

Steve, there is no satisfying you. You asked me to back this claim up:

''exists all around the world, even NASA has evidence that the UFO phenomenon is real"

Did I or did I not give you a list of countries with accounts of UFO observation? Did I or did I not provide you with evidence NASA has investigated such claims 1)?

Now, did I or did I now address your questions?



1) - Actually NASA does make me laugh sometimes.I remember the day sts-48 came out, and it was studied. A while later, NASA said it was ice particles - what a joke - the video account is here

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Meaning steve, I made no mention that UFOs are directly alien, nor did your questions require that I PROVIDE proof of aliens. Your questions seem more and more like a caliginous trap.

[SteveFish]

QuantumClue, you duck and weave. This is sort of like your denial of your Occam's razor-paradigm claim. This thread is about alien forces threatening the US and this is what you have been trying to support. Many of us have been telling you that this is an unwarranted assumption, but you persist. If you want to change this to misinterpretations of a large variety of natural phenomena, then start a new thread. Otherwise please provide evidence of the presence of an extraterrestrial alien fleet. I would be especially interested in credible evidence from NASA. Steve

[QuantumClue (OP)]

I said Occams razor is a train of thought for those with a lack of imagination. What denial did I exhibit?

I think JP has hit it on the nail. This is about the OP headlines? They where the same wikileak headlines, so I would not be too involved with the idea I am somehow trying to invest in exraterestrial encounters.

And what credible evidence from NASA do you have in mind? What evidence to support extraterrestrial life? There is lots. You want proof, there is none. NASA does not waste superfluous amounts of money and energy into studying UFO claims.

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Here is a nice video with experts in the field giving their accounts and analysis

[Geezer]

I will ask the thread to be closed if people stop making assinine comments.

I'll be happy to oblige. (er, you might want to rephrase that, unless you want to look like an ass)

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Be my guest. I won't have people fabricate things about what I am supposed to have said.

[Geezer]

No, I meant about your request to keep receiving assinine comments.

[QuantumClue (OP)]

Oh.. Wont* stop (it should read)

[Geezer]

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[SteveFish]

QuantumClue, I am not going to go back through all your posts in which you supported the crazy article, the claim that Wikileaks provided evidence of aliens, and the video which you think was evidence because it existed long before the leak was released. You found “evidence” of a mother ship in a YouTube video! Regarding Occam’s razor, you said—“You may think of me as the antithesis of Occams Razor, that way ~ the simplest of answers are not always the answers... it's a false paradigm.”

As for the last video there is a lot of material that has already been explained adequately. Kasher is only an expert in the promotion of UFOs and extraterrestrial aliens on and around earth. He has no evidence, just conjecture. If you are not promoting the idea of extraterrestrial UFOs, why do you site Kasher as providing evidence? Steve