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And what is the Greenhouse gas? Please elaborate upon explanation. Thank you!
Quote from: The Scientist on 26/02/2011 12:56:25And what is the Greenhouse gas? Please elaborate upon explanation. Thank you!Looking back to my time at school, the basic idea explained to me was the carbon-monoxide was causing a second type of ozone layer to form over the surface of the earth which was not allowing the rays of the sun to be absorbed by the ground and was therefore reflecting them back into the atmosphere, so the heat was bouncing inbewteen the two higher and lower layers cause temperatures to rise. That was the high school explanation. It appears that the ozone depletion is a rather big cause as it allows more of the suns radiation to hit the earth rather than being deflected, thing is, that CO2 is a naturally produced gas as we and plants breath has nothing to do with depletion of the Ozone layer, it's CFCs and other industrial gases causing that. Some say it is simply increased sun activity, or a natural earth cycle, really we do not know, it is, as often is the case with science, theory, there are lots of ideas about it, the main stream theory relates to CO2 yet, as I said co2 is a gas that plants use and at night breath out, as do we all the time. In some ways to attack Co2 when all life uses it, is a bit weird, carbon monoxide, CFCs are far worse gases I believe, they come from lots of things we use including cars etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxideQuote: "Carbon monoxide is produced from the partial oxidation of carbon-containing compounds; it forms when there is not enough oxygen to produce carbon dioxide (CO2)"I am not expert on bio chemistry but,Carbon Monoxide is a triple bonded single oxygen and carbon atoms, carbon dioxide is a double bonded oxygen 2 and a carbon. Which makes sense oxygen has two positions for attachment so it can double bond- to say both connect to the carbon which has four positions of attachment- that causes a rather more stable structure carbon monoxide however there is an attachment left over, it's triple bonded leaving a the fourth a bit open, and so the structure less stable, which is probably why if more oxygen is available it will form Co2.Quote: "It(carbon monoxide) consists of one carbon atom and one oxygen atom, connected by a triple bond which consists of two covalent bonds as well as one dative covalent bond."Toxicity: Quote: "Carbon monoxide poisoning is the most common type of fatal air poisoning in many countries. Carbon monoxide is colorless, odorless and tasteless, but highly toxic. It combines with hemoglobin to produce carboxyhemoglobin, which is ineffective for delivering oxygen to bodily tissues."Which really makes you wonder why, some scientist are doing this: "carbon monoxide has received a great deal of clinical attention as a biological regulator. In many tissues, all three gases are known to act as anti-inflammatories, vasodilators and promoters of neovascular growth. Clinical trials of small amounts of carbon monoxide as a drug are on-going."But then just like with fluoride(main ingredient in rat poison apparently), what gives?----------------To say the biggest cause of any climate problem is probably deforestation and industrial gas pollution, deforestation reduces oxygen levels which trees release, increasing carbon monoxide as Co2 will be harder to form, and industrial pollution of CFCs and carbon monoxide directly, along with a few other dangerous gases help deplete the ozone layer. Sadly you have to understand that business owns science today and funds it, so most scientists are in the corporate pocket- Not a conspiracy just business.
Carbon monoxide is only present in traces in the air, it barely makes any contribution to the greenhouse effect.
Plenty of scientists are funded by governments, rather than business.That's why the consensus among scientists is that CO2 is responsible for at least some of the Earth's warming in recent times.
"Natural background levels of carbon monoxide range between 0.0090.0198ppm"From http://www.cieh.org/JEHR/ambient_carbon_monoxide.htmlIn my book, levels measured in parts per billion are trace levels, and I'm an analytical chemist, specialising in measuring stuff in air.How scarce would the stuff have to be before you called it "trace"?And, though I realise you probably won't understand it, this articlehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10101749says that your body produces and uses carbon monoxidePeople have known this for a whilehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC289385/?page=1So, next time you are thinking of saying something like "It is not a trace chemical all cars release it into the atmosphere as I think you'll find does aviation, and shipping, what you have just said is false, carbon monoxide is far more present than being present in just traces.Attacking Co2 is a joke especially when plants use it, nothing uses carbon monoxide other than a few crazy scientists in "health research"."You might want to check that you are not talking rubbish.
I don't, and, once again, I seem to be the one who actually knows what I'm on about.You can mix CO and air without them reacting. If you couldn't then CO wouldn't be considered toxic.Since you already cited data that says it is, you should have known that.The reaction does take place, but it's very slow and (probably) doesn't involve O2 molecules but the traces of ozone and other reactive oxygen species in the air.
"I'm sure any gas in concentration can be toxic,"As I said, there is always some in the air; it's not toxic."The outer molecules will protect the inner ones, in that gas volume, I'm sure if you pump oxygen into the gas core it will disappear pretty quickly."Bollocks.You can, as I said, mix the gases without reaction. Lots of gas explosions prior to the use of natural gas attest to this. If you couldn't pre-mix the gases you wouldn't get a build up of gas that leads to en explosion.