[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

Woman Made Scientist asked the Naked Scientists:
   
I want to know the endgame results of weather-modification, stratospheric geo-engineerig AKA chemtrails.

What is to be expected and the damages so far. Will it ever stop?? Thank you.

What do you think?

[yor_on]

Here's the answer..

[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

That is no answer my dear.  This is a  science  based question with no proof of truth needed. Scientists all over the world study it. There is known world-wide weather modification going on called stratospheric geoengineering and what many call Chemtrails.

[rosy]

There is known world-wide weather modification going on called stratospheric geoengineering and what many call Chemtrails.

Would you care to elaborate? Are you suggesting that there's some sort of Grand International (or perhaps Unilateral?) Conspiracy to attempt global dimming through stratospheric sulfate aerosols? Because (unless you have information we don't) there's no-one doing this openly (and the wikipedia article indicates that it's not currently clear how/whether it would be possible to do this in any effective way).

There's an awful lot of what, to use a term suitable for a family site, I will term "gibbering idiocy" on the internet on this general topic (searching for "chemtrails" turns up , so if you're interested in a constructive discussion you will need to provide links to what it is, exactly, you want to discuss.

[yor_on]

Yes, it is a little embarrassing isn't it Rosy. Either she's terribly misinformed or we just found another person presenting something really strange. This is not Science, and have never been. Witchcraft is also believed to exist by some, not to speak of all those people that becomes 'instant gurus' over the reach of one single lifetime, whilst we other have full up with learning to cope

This is not that sort of site. We are a friendly family oriented site trying to communicate science, and hopefully make some sense. We neither believe in instant gurus, witchcraft or 'Chemtrails', as far as I know. If we did I would fast take my leave to some saner place.

[Geezer]

There certainly are a lot of aerosols spreading this stuff around.

[Peter Ridley under another name]

Woman Made Scientist, some people don’t know how to indulge in reasoned debate and are best ignored. There's plenty helpful information available elsewhere on the Internet  where you won't be subjected to insults.

Although your question is specifically about weather engineering, not climate engineering, the two are closely related so you may find the Unearthed video: Global warming alarmist Stephen Schneider caught on a May 1978 episode of the TV show In Search Of…The Coming Ice Age” Sept. 2009 article http://algorelied.com/?p=2839 worth reading. It reports on the views of Professor Steven Schneider (deceased) when he was expressing concern back in the late 70’s about the threat of global cooling. It quotes from Stephen Schneider’s  comments in the third segment of a TV series In Search Of…The Coming Ice Age.

Stephen Schneider, wondering whether we should try to interfere in Nature’s role as global climate controller by trying to stave off a coming ice age, said “Can we do these things? Yes. But will they make things better? I’m not sure.  We can’t predict with any certainty what’s happening to our own climatic future.  How can we come along and intervene then in that ignorance?  You could melt the icecaps.  What would that do to the coastal cities? The cure could be worse than the disease. Would that better or worse than the risk of an ice age?”.

Those wise words from 33 years ago are just as relevant today, don’t you agree?

The video is available on the Internet if you care to search for it.

[yor_on]

Yes please, find those 'scientific' sites where you can discuss it freely. Do not feel forced to present it here please.

[BenV]

I've got an idea - lets ignore chemtrails and all that comes with them, and instead discuss what might be the consequences of real weather engineering. Any thoughts?

[imatfaal]

Ben - I think that's where the law of unintended consequences will become paramount.  the global weather system was the prototypical chaotic system in which arbitrarily small changes to the initial conditions caused arbitrarily large end results.  Whilst the weather systems have probably been studied more than any other large scale chaotic system - we are still pretty crumby at making even short term predictions.  The met office in the UK are right most of the time (so far today they are spot on) - but to ethically make changes to one part of a connected system we must be able to predict with very high certainty its long and short term consequences on both a local and global scale

[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

Look at  Carnicom  Institute site, the international stratospheric geoengineering conducts  weather and climate modification. Some Electric Companies internationally participate creating water which makes electricity, many water departments are aware of it. You do not remember ClimateGate??? This happened by your countries great people of discovery. If people are insulting why should I care if they cannot hear or research the truth, they just make themselves look badly and unmannerly. This is an old hidden science and weather modification has been going on for nearly 60 years. Global warming hoax is the man-made weather control to gas the skies and take your  tax monies and they are succeeding.

[BenV]

This isn't really the place for conspiracy theory, thanks, and it's unlikely to recieve a receptive audience.

There are, however, established scientific weather modification techniques, such as cloud seeding, and have been proposals for storm control and hurrican reduction.  It would be interesting to discuss the outcomes, intended or otherwise, of such experiments.

[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

That was the question, there is no theory, all are facts, please check out Climategate and Carnicom.

[BenV]

Climategate certainly has nothing to do with weather modification.

[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

The weather modification is done under the guise of global warming, Climategate uncovers there is no global warming.

[BenV]

Sorry, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here. Weather modification so far has been tested for seeding rain or minimising storms, and has nothing to do with altering the climate (although some global cooling ideas have been suggested). Climategate was about the leaking of some emails, and fell a long way short of suggesting climate change isn't real.

But that's enough on that topic.  Let's just discuss known weather modification tests, and their outcomes.

[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

Politically and the tax program with the Copenhagen treaty involvement it is conclusive a high tax program is involved with the guise of global warming. But I agree, to the point of not caring if you agree or not about this. The out come of fooling with mother nature has shown some vial turbulences for quite some time now. To not let nature take its´ course is disastrous. The earth has to evolve, just as humans, animals and plants are to.

[CliffordK]

You could either have local "Weather Modification" or global "Climate Modification".

There have been many experiments with Cloud Seeding, generally with local consequences.  But, keep in mind that one area will get excess rain so that another can get lower amounts.  And, whatever is being used to seed the clouds will come out with the rain.

If flooding is a type of "Weather".  Then Flood Control, Dikes, and Dams would be a basic type of weather control. 

Dams can cause fish habitat changes including damaging salmon runs.  River water temperatures can be increased.  Silt is deposited in reservoirs, not out in the ocean.

Celilo Falls was an important Native American fishing Community and cultural center, but has been covered by dam water for decades.

Dikes can deprive river deltas of valuable sediments and can be major contributors of land subsidence.  Dikes may also exacerbate the very flooding that they intend to prevent by narrowing river channels.

As far as global climate modification.
Some suggestions are to blast Sulfur dioxide and Sulfuric Acid into the atmosphere.  Thus campaigns to limit Coal and Diesel sulfur emissions would be reversed, and acid rain would increase as well as acidification of various water bodies.  Consequences could be very widespread.

Other proposals have been to blast salt particles into the upper atmosphere, potentially seeding clouds, and sending corrosive salt rain inland and changing precipitation patterns.  

With any climate changes, there will be winners and there will be losers. Many in Northern climates may benefit from less snow and longer spring/summer seasons.  However, undoubtedly some areas would experience severe negative consequences such as increased drought or sea inundation.  Likewise, attempts to cool the atmosphere will benefit some and harm others.  Any modification could also benefit some native species, and harm others.

[Woman Made Scientist (OP)]

Tests were done on weather modication dispersals in certain areas. High amounts of barium and other ingredients were found in these results. Bees, dead in numerous  weather modified areas and frogs with gross deformities have  also arisen. The products dispersed in weather modication is not regulated in many areas. Scientists have traced the rash of unexplained dermopathy, a man-made disease to many of these weather modified areas. Weather modification chemicals are not always inspected and regulations need to be made and enforced on dispersal, inspection and in flight management if the continuation of weather modification  is allowed to continue.

[BenV]

Do you have any evidence for any of this?