[another_someone]

quote:Originally posted by ukmicky
And if you wouldn’t take it would you protest against other people taking it.

My own instinct would be that I would be reluctant to distort the natural spectrum of behaviour unless there is an overwhelming clinical need to do so.  That about 6%-10% or people are homosexual is the natural order of things.  If we distort this, what would be the secondary ramifications?

I would have no problem with one or two people taking such a pill, because that number would not have a population wide statistical significance; but if there was any risk that a substantial proportion of the population would be taking such a pill, and hence creating a distortion in the natural spectrum of sexual orientation in the population, then I would start to be concerned.

George

[veteran]

If we are to say homosexuality has something to do with geneiics then sexual intercourse has the same tendercy.like sexual intercourse it has to do with feelings but which are unnatural,thats why i often say gays are inhuman.To become a gay has to do with choice and desire and i believe has nothing to do with genes.People could only be born gays if there was a possibility of choosing during birth which is impossible.to conclude people can't be born gays

[ukmicky]

And that was brought to you by someone who has no idea.

Desire yes, choice no.

Michael

[another_someone]

quote:Originally posted by veteran
If we are to say homosexuality has something to do with geneiics then sexual intercourse has the same tendercy.like sexual intercourse it has to do with feelings but which are unnatural,thats why i often say gays are inhuman.

The terms 'unnatural' and 'inhuman' are meaningless in this context.

If it happens, then it is natural that it should happen (and that it can be observed in other species, such a sheep, only goes to reinforce the notion that it is natural).

To say it is inhuman is to suggest that they are a distinct and separate species to humans.  This clearly in not a supportable position to take.

quote:
To become a gay has to do with choice and desire and i believe has nothing to do with genes.

If taken at face value (and ignoring the contrary evidence), this would imply that the converse, heterosexuality, is also purely a matter of choice, and that neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality is an innate and natural state, but each a deliberate and artificial choice.

George

[tanian]

quote:
On the issue regarding whether genetics has anything to do with people being gay  there has been a number of studies that found just that. There have been a number of studies which found that if one Monozygotic) genetically identical twin was gay then the other had on average 50% chance of being gay too. Whereas (dizygotic twins) Twins  who are not genetically identical had only a 22 % chance of having the identical sexual orientation.  

To sum up:

There is evidence to suggest that homosexuality is linked to genetic factors.

Conclusion:

People are born gay.

Well now we know.

[ty80]

hope not cause i a have a wife and 2 kids []

[dynamix]

Hi there. Your "open" gay man has arrived (Ooh Matron!)

I've just joined this forum this morning, found this topic, read right through it, and should have been in bed 2 hrs ago.

First of all, thanks to all those people in here who've been rallying to our cause, and to the others, thanks for being honest & not turning this topic into a flame war. It's good to know there's somewhere to have these kinds of discussions sensibly and dispassionately.

I am both gay and a Christian, which may come as a surprise to both sides. I have to say, right now, that my experience has been that people on the Gay scene have been far more intollerant of my faith than Christians have been of my sexuality. More than once, I've heard the words "Here comes the vicar" on entering a gay bar!

Anyway, to give you just a little insight, I always knew I was "different", right from when I was a toddler. It took me until way through puberty to put a name to that "difference", and then maybe another 20 yrs to realise that the name, "gay", was something of an arbitrary pidgeon-hole anyway.

I can honestly say that I don't think I have EVER met anyone who was 100% in their sexuality. By that, I'm not trying to say "the whole world is gay", anymore than I would say "the whole world is straight". I'm simply alluding to the fact that nature, God, science, logic and the world in general doesn't work that way. You can no more find a 100% heterosexual or homosexual than you can find a 100% frictionless surface or a 100% solution of alcohol! In all but the most theoretical of sciences, there is no black or white, merely shades of grey, and in the same way that my dress socks LOOK black, but don't absorb all the radiation of the universe, there are those people who FEEL completely oriented in their sexuality (and for all human purposes probably are).

For those reasons, I tend to agree with the "combined theory" that there are elements of genetics, chemistry, environment and societal influences all stacking up together on this one, and I think we have rather less chance of finding a "unified theory" of sexuality than we do a unified theory of physics!

I'm definately convinced that population has a part to play. In fact, I seem to remember seeing a study, some years ago, which claimed that the instance of homosexuality was statistically higher in closely populated areas. Hence, if you REALLY don't like us, live in a rural area! []

Finally, for those who come from a religious, particularly Jewish or Christian, standpoint, I would recommend you read the book of "1 Samuel" in the Old Testament. The relationship between David and Jonathan is regarded by many gay Christians and Jews as being the template for a wholesome and godly same-sex relationship. I'll be glad to expand on this if anyone is interested, but you really need to read the book first (and give me permission to drift a little off-topic).[:0] (It's notable that you won't find this scripture on the readings list in many fundamentalist churches!)

Anyway, I hope I've given you a bit of food for thought.

I welcome your comments, even if you disagree! []

"What's a unified theory, daddy?"...
"Ask your mother!"

[neilep]

THANK YOU DYNAMIX for your valuable contribution and very interesting post.

Men are the same as women, just inside out !