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which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?

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which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« on: 20/01/2012 14:02:55 »
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Re: which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« Reply #1 on: 21/01/2012 07:17:18 »
can you answer  quickly
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Re: which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« Reply #2 on: 21/01/2012 17:40:00 »
It depends
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschen's_law
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Re: which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« Reply #3 on: 23/01/2012 09:31:07 »
‏  can you explain depends of what.......
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Re: which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« Reply #4 on: 23/01/2012 09:54:57 »
If you look at the graph from the Wikipedia that BC gave.



O2 is not listed. 
However, compare the curves for N2 and He.

The X axis of the graph shows a product of the (pressure * distance) separating the electrode plates.

For all higher pressures and wider gaps, Helium hits the bottom of the list.  I.E.  The lowest breakdown voltage.

However, there is a point with low pressures and narrow gaps, that Helium performs better than most other gases, except for Hydrogen.
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Re: which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« Reply #5 on: 23/01/2012 21:09:39 »
what makes elements of gases low or high  break down voltage from same of atom structure...
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Re: which gas has the higher breakdown voltage helium or oxygen ?
« Reply #6 on: 23/01/2012 22:40:06 »
BC will have to give a better answer.

It appears as if the chart on the left side is dominated by atomic/molecular size.

On the right, it appears to be dominated more by electronegative, and "free" electrons, but I would need more data to confirm.  Surprisingly the Helium which is one of the least electronegative elements is at the bottom of the graph.

I would be curious about more gases, chlorine, fluorine, oxygen, methane, and etc.
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