[chiralSPO]

Do clouds hang around for more than minutes?

Yes?

Then why say that contrails could not persist for more than minutes? They are the same phenomenon, just caused by a different stimulus...

[smart]

Then why say that contrails could not persist for more than minutes? They are the same phenomenon, just caused by a different stimulus...

Because the proper definition of a contrail is a wingtip vortices: Wingtip vortices don't persist in the atmosphere. Likewise, commercial jets don't emit a high density plume. It is disinformation to pretend such phenomenon is attributable to contrails. Artificial clouds are produced via cloud seeding, not contrails.

[Bored chemist]

Don't forget the basics. It's called "climate engineering" for a reason. Chemtrails are persistent and visible while contrails are not persistent or visible. The persistence of chemtrails is probably due to partial oxidation of aluminium oxides. Chemtrails will persist for several minutes independently of the weather.

See: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/9116
for hints on the use of aluminium oxide nanofibers as substrate for BHA catalysts of methane.

That's just silly.
This is England. It's common for clouds to hang round all day.
They are persistent.
Why would clouds of very fine water drops condensed from jet exhaust be different?

As I said, you have not shown that the trails are anything but the water  produced by combustion.
Until you do that you have no evidence that chemtrails exist, so ascribing properties to them makes no sense.

Come back when you can show that the trails are not water.

[smart]

Chemtrails are definitely not water vapor. Here's why:

- Chemtrails exhibit "chemical clumping" behavior. 
- Chemtrails are extruded from the plane.
- In addition, as the picture clearly shows, chemtrails can be switched on and off.



Let me know if you're intelligent enough to admit that chemtrails existence is real.

[smart]

The chemical clumping behavior of a powder is caused by the molecular Van der Walls force:

The clumping behavior of a powder arises because of the molecular Van der Waals force that causes individual grains to cling to one another. Actually, this force is present not just in powders, but in sand and gravel, too. However, in such coarse granular materials the weight and the inertia of the individual grains are much larger than the very weak Van der Waals forces, and therefore the tiny clinging between grains does not have a dominant effect on the bulk behavior of the material. Only when the grains are very small and lightweight does the Van der Waals force become predominant, causing the material to clump like a powder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_(substance)#Mechanical_properties

[Bored chemist]

Putting words on a picture isn't evidence.

"chemical clumping" is something quacks have invented.

Stuff that's to do with powders isn't relevant to the gases produced by a jet engine.

The breaks in the contrail are due to the plane passing through areas where the air is at different temperatures and or humidities.
It's quite straightforward physics.
In the real world, it's this sort of thing
http://www.mountain-wave-project.com/images/data/OSTIV_MWP_Wave.jpg
and there's no need for inventing chemtrails to "explain" it.


You still have absolutely no evidence that the trails are anything except water.

[smart]

Chemical clumping is not voodoo science. It is common for aerosols to clump together:

Climatologists typically use another set of labels that speak to the chemical composition. Key aerosol groups include sulfates, organic carbon, black carbon, nitrates, mineral dust, and sea salt. In practice, many of these terms are imperfect, as aerosols often clump together to form complex mixtures. It’s common, for example, for particles of black carbon from soot or smoke to mix with nitrates and sulfates, or to coat the surfaces of dust, creating hybrid particles.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Aerosols/

As for the "breaks" in the chemtrails, you provided no reasonable evidences to support your hypothesis. The only logical reason is because the pilot can activate or disable the release of the aerosol while in flight. There's no way humidity or temperature could produces this mechanical effect.

Furthermore, if the delivery system would not be a mechanical process activated by the pilots, the aerosols would be released on the ground too... So your theory makes no sense. It is far more reasonable to assert that a chemtrail is released on-demand via a nozzle rather than from the combustion of jet engines.

Please stop the pseudo scientific voodoo now.

All you can prove is that you have very little knowledge on the chemistry of aerosols.

[chiralSPO]

http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/

[Bored chemist]

...
There's no way humidity or temperature could produces this mecanical effect.
...

All you can prove is that you have very little knowledge on the chemistry of aerosols.

There's no way humidity or temperature could produces this mecanical effect. "
Yes there is- it's just that you don't know enough about aerosol science to understand it.
Which makes that last bit of your post rather funny.

Also, it only makes sense to talk about particles sticking together when there are actually particles present.

So, why don't you go away and find some evidence that the trails are anything other than water?

[smart]

Your denial is hopeless. The pseudo-scientific voodoo you insist to believe in is a lie. The chemical clumping of chemtrails can be observed and is a hard evidence of the aggregation of the aerosol.

Why do you keep on lying and for whom do you work for?

Why do you think people have fear of chemtrails ?

It's because they know theses are not regular contrails.

So please stop the insanity. The military have carefully prepared the cognitive infiltration about this particular topic and so far I can say the brainwashing is working well for you.

[chiralSPO]

I can see that this thread is going nowhere, and looks to be circling dangerously close to ad hominem attacks...

Congrats TK, you have gotten the last word in you win!* This thread is now locked.



*(unless you count this post, in which case I win hahahaha)