[neilep (OP)]

9:25am...good night !!!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !

[Karen W.]

You going to bed now?

Karen

[Karen W.]

They had the lavander hand cream or some such stuff , maybe it will lull you to sleep! I like lavender! its soothing!

Karen

[Karen W.]

oui. bonne nuit!

Karen

[iko]

quote:Withdrawnmist is just a title I use here. ...Oh..I'm in London, UK.
Neilep

London! I spent 2 years in Du Cane rd...Hammersmith Hospital 1979-81.
Camden market, Portobello rd. and Notting hill Carneval...
I have beautiful memories of that city.  We might visit it again for a weekend, who knows.
iko

[Karen W.]

Sounds very nice! Italy that Is, I have never traveled!

Karen

[neilep (OP)]

IKO.....I am so glad your time here was fun and enjoyable.

As I said in a post above...Italy was by far the best place wifey and I have been to...and I've been all over !! but Rome for driving ?...arrrggghh !!  LOL..

Yes , you must visit again...we're only a few hours away as you of course must know.

We really are blessed here in Europe...so many countries so close togtether...YAYYYY !! (though some may not agree with me []

Karen..I am so sorry you have not travelled......have you never even travelled within the states....it's big enough !!!



Men are the same as women, just inside out !

[Karen W.]

Very little. I went to Idaho as an 18 year old and montana as a 20 yearold for honeymoon stayed two weeks absolutely beautiful country there not much for civilation where we were way up in the sticks no electricity! very primitive and lovely untouched if you will, lots a bears!! yikes!

oklahoma texas as a 4 year old, only remember foggy night going through toll station and sitting on grandmas lap arriving and sitting on a very very prickily cactice and being bent over my moms knee for several hours whilst she removed the needles and I wailed... I thought it was a soft hairy chair, I was 4, What can I say!been to southern cal 3 times for 1 Giants baseball game on birhtday after honeymoon and then went to frisco in semi truck with hubby to deliver a load of crab to fishermans warf and slept through drive in Los Angelos. Went as far as newport oregon and grants pass a couple trips to see my sister no touring or anything except in newport to visit my friend.. I have never taken a vacation and went anywhere to speak of!! I want to really bad!! Someday!!

Karen

[moonfire]

quote:Originally posted by neilep

Karen, definitely a misunderstanding that's all. IKO's English even puts mine to shame !!...

I love Italy so much ...Florence is my favourite city......where do you live IKO ?

When me and the wifey were there 13 years ago we did Rome , Florence and Venice in ten days. To this day it was the best holiday we have ever had. The Italians are a beautiful and so well turned out people...and the  ice cream!!.....oh my !!!!....you have not had ice cream till you've had Italian Ice cream in Italy !!!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !

Gelato...love it too Neil!!!

"Lo" Loretta

[moonfire]

Neil what is this honey about?  Is it a sleep aid

"Lo" Loretta

[neilep (OP)]

Hi LO  (hee hee..I don't know why but saying ' Hi LO ' always makes me giggle)..

No Mam...as far as I know it's just has some incredible healing abilities, either by application on the skin or by consumption !!......hmmmmmmm...honey all over !!!!..hmmmmmm !!! *slaps own face*.....I don't think it is known as an aid to sleep !!..shame !!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !

[Karen W.]

I don't know about ... HEE HEE it might work to bring on sleep if you use it the right way SIR!!Application on skin might work as long as removal is done with perfect fore thought....The end result could be beneficial to aiding in a nice deep sleep!!!!!LOL No Slapping allowed!!

Karen

[iko]

I found 27 citations for Manuka Honey
in PubMed database...'the right thing',
starting from 1991 and most of them quite
recent indeed. It sounds like a 'new discovery'
for western medicine. I never heard anything
about such peculiar properties and I actually
find all this 'ratherrrr' interesting.
Thank you guys!

find some hints:

Honey: a potent agent for wound healing?

Lusby PE, Coombes A, Wilkinson JM.
School of Biomedical Sciences, Charles Sturt University, Wagga Wagga, Australia.

Although honey has been used as a traditional remedy for burns and wounds, the potential for its inclusion in mainstream medical care is not well recognized. Many studies have demonstrated that honey has antibacterial activity in vitro, and a small number of clinical case studies have shown that application of honey to severely infected cutaneous wounds is capable of clearing infection from the wound and improving tissue healing. The physicochemical properties (eg, osmotic effects and pH) of honey also aid in its antibacterial actions. Research has also indicated that honey may possess antiinflammatory activity and stimulate immune responses within a wound. The overall effect is to reduce infection and to enhance wound healing in burns, ulcers, and other cutaneous wounds. It is also known that honeys derived from particular floral sources in Australia and New Zealand (Leptospermum spp) have enhanced antibacterial activity, and these honeys have been approved for marketing as therapeutic honeys (Medihoney and Active Manuka honey). This review outlines what is known about the medical properties of honey and indicates the potential for honey to be incorporated into the management of a large number of wound types.

J Wound Ostomy Continence Nurs. 2002 Nov;29(6):295-300. Review.

Manuka honey dressing: An effective treatment for chronic wound infections.

Visavadia BG, Honeysett J, Danford MH.
Maxillofacial Unit, Royal Surrey County Hospital, Egerton Road, Guildford Surrey, UK.

The battle against methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) wound infection is becoming more difficult as drug resistance is widespread and the incidence of MRSA in the community increases. Manuka honey dressing has long been available as a non-antibiotic treatment in the management of chronic wound infections. We have been using honey-impregnated dressings successfully in our wound care clinic and on the maxillofacial ward for over a year.

Br J Oral Maxillofac Surg. 2006 Nov 17; [Epub ahead of print]

MRSA means: methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus.
             ...a really bad, bad, naughty BEAST!

http://www.reactivereports.com/31/images/manuka.jpg
http://www.thesahara.fsnet.co.uk/MRSA/staph.jpg
http://www.idsociety.org/Images/PA/MRSA.jpg

I'm a bit worried, I seem to be less 'codcentrated' these days... []

iko

[neilep (OP)]

YAYYYY !!

IKO is great !!...does he know how well luffed he is here ?

THANK EWE for this IKO....funnily enough, I was recently thinking about this again...I still have not got round to getting some....


I would say I am one of life's great procrastinators but I'll leave it until tomorrow !!..*sorry*

[iko]

Hi Neilep!
How are your bitransplanted knees doing?
What do you need Manuka honey/oil for...
infection? Explosive rejection? I told you
that it was a cheap clinic and that
Mr. Whoknowswhat not such a top-notch...professional!

Free radical production and quenching in honeys with wound healing potential.

Henriques A, Jackson S, Cooper R, Burton N.
School of Applied Sciences, University of Wales Institute Cardiff Llandaf Campus, Western Avenue, Cardiff CF5 2YB, UK.

OBJECTIVES: Honey-impregnated wound dressings are now available on drug tariff in the UK, though the modes of action of honeys with antibacterial and wound healing properties are not entirely clear. The action of some but not all of these honeys is linked to the production of hydrogen peroxide on dilution of the honey with wound exudate. The present study investigates both free radical production and the antioxidant potential of some honeys, properties which may have a role to play in wound healing.
METHODS: Free radical production and quenching of three honey types (manuka, antibacterial but non-peroxide-producing; pasture, antibacterial peroxide-producing; commercial heat processed, non-antibacterial) was investigated by electron paramagnetic resonance (EPR) spectroscopy; quenching was also examined using a superoxide quenching assay.
RESULTS: All honeys tested had antioxidant potential, with manuka able to completely quench added radicals within 5 min of spiking. Only the peroxide-producing honey (pasture PS9) was found to form radicals on dilution.
CONCLUSIONS: The ability to modulate production and quenching of free radicals may contribute to the demonstrated ability of some honeys to help in resolving the state of inflammation typifying chronic wounds.

J Antimicrob Chemother. 2006 Oct;58(4):773-7.


http://www.purplesapphire.com/products/613/e5d96_1.jpg

...smashing beauty from a search for 'Manuka honey' on Google Images! []

[neilep (OP)]

Hi Neilep!
How are your bitransplanted knees doing?
What do you need Manuka honey/oil for...
infection? Explosive rejection? I told you
that it was a cheap clinic and that
Mr. Whoknowswhat not such top-notch...professional!

Free radical production and quenching in honeys with wound healing potential.

Henriques A, Jackson S, Cooper R, Burton N.
School of Applied Sciences, University of Wales Institute Cardiff Llandaf Campus, Western Avenue, Cardiff CF5 2YB, UK.

OBJECTIVES: Honey-impregnated wound dressings are now available on drug tariff in the UK, though the modes of action of honeys with antibacterial and wound healing properties are not entirely clear. The action of some but not all of these honeys is linked to the production of hydrogen peroxide on dilution of the honey with wound exudate. The present study investigates both free radical production and the antioxidant potential of some honeys, properties which may have a role to play in wound healing.
METHODS: Free radical production and quenching of three honey types (manuka, antibacterial but non-peroxide-producing; pasture, antibacterial peroxide-producing; commercial heat processed, non-antibacterial) was investigated by electron paramagnetic resonance (EPR) spectroscopy; quenching was also examined using a superoxide quenching assay.
RESULTS: All honeys tested had antioxidant potential, with manuka able to completely quench added radicals within 5 min of spiking. Only the peroxide-producing honey (pasture PS9) was found to form radicals on dilution.
CONCLUSIONS: The ability to modulate production and quenching of free radicals may contribute to the demonstrated ability of some honeys to help in resolving the state of inflammation typifying chronic wounds.

J Antimicrob Chemother. 2006 Oct;58(4):773-7.


http://www.purplesapphire.com/products/613/e5d96_1.jpg

...from a search for 'Manuka honey' on Google Images! []

Hello Mr Iko Sir,

THANK EWE for asking about my knee !!..it is still sore !!..but oNLY when I lean on it..it feels like it's on fire !!..but it is a whole lot better than before thank you.

I was just interested in manuka as perhaps a supplement to take like my cod liver oil and garlic pills. I don't really have an ailment that requires it.

HUGS the IKO (even if he does smell of Cod !!.. [] [] [])..Thank you for the Manuka information .

[iko]

Bactericidal Activity of Different Types of Honey
against Clinical and Environmental Isolates of Pseudomonas aeruginosa.

Mullai V, Menon T.Department of Microbiology, Dr. ALM Post Graduate Institute of Basic Medical Sciences, University of Madras, Taramani, Chen- nai, India.

Objectives: Honey has had a valued place in traditional medicine for centuries. Renewed interest in honey for various therapeutic purposes, including treatment of infected wounds, has led to the search for different types of honey with antibacterial activity. In this study, we have assessed the antibacterial activity of different types of honey (manuka honey from Australia, heather honey from the United Kingdom, and locally marketed Indian honey).
Methods: The agar dilution method was used to assess the antibacterial activity of honey against 152 isolates of Pseudomonas aeruginosa by determining minimum inhibitory concentrations.
Results and conclusions: The locally available (khadikraft) honey produced the best activity against Pseudomonas aeruginosa and was found to be better than all of the imported varieties of therapeutic honey.

J Altern Complement Med. 2007 May;13(4):439-42.

[Karen W.]

Thanks Iko..Is this Honey local to you or the makers of the article? I am Assuming Local to India!

[iko]

Hi Karen,

Yes, it must be indian honey.

ikod

[Karen W.]

Hey Iko, Thanks I thought that was what it was..

I know there must be some health benefit somewhere, but I am not sure I want to go grab a bunch of it and start using it! LOL Maybe some of the things look interesting... Benefits would be great!