[smart (OP)]

Please stop the lies. There's multiple photographic and scientific evidences that stratospheric aerosol injection is harmful to humans. Why do you insist in ignoring the evidences ? Your wishful thinking is simply ignorant.

[Bored chemist]

Imagining that you are one of the clever knowledgeable ones because you "know" about geoengineering is wishful thinking.

Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

Imagining that you are one of the clever knowledgeable ones because you "know" about geoengineering is wishful thinking.

Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

I have tried many times to show you evidences of clandestine geoengineering activity. But your attitude is the problem.

Chemtrails are not the product of my imagination.

The wishful thinking is your attitude regarding the existence and purpose of geoengineering. IE: For what reason they would spray water vapor?

Facts needs no evidences...

[Bored chemist]

I have tried many times to show you evidences of clandestine geoengineering activity.

Show me the evidence that the trails behind aircraft are anything other than water.

[smart (OP)]

The purpose of spraying water vapor is nonsense.Cloud seeding is not based on water vapor condensation but on chemical aggregation of aerosolized nanoparticles.

[Bored chemist]

Do you actually read what is posted?
At this stage, only an idiot would think that anyone is suggesting that they spray water.

What they do is burn fuel.

Though there are other factors- if the air is supersaturated it may be prompted to condense by just about anything, including the violent agitation of having a plane fly through it.

Also re. " Cloud seeding is not based on water vapor condensation"
Wrong.
That's excactly what it is based on.

Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

Do you actually read what is posted?
At this stage, only an idiot would think that anyone is suggesting that they spray water.

What they do is burn fuel.

No, jet fuel do not produces cloud condensation nuclei (CCNs), even if the saturation of hydrocarbons is low.
 

Though there are other factors- if the air is supersaturated it may be prompted to condense by just about anything, including the violent agitation of having a plane fly through it.

Also re. " Cloud seeding is not based on water vapor condensation"
Wrong.
That's excactly what it is based on.

I disagree: Cloud seeding is chemical modification of the atmosphere to create CCNs using secondary organic aerosols (sulfates) emissions.

Please stop the pseudo-scientific disinformation.

[Bored chemist]

Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

... clouds left by planes ...

This is incorrect. Clouds are not created by jet fuel. Jet fuel vapor generates hydrocarbons and microscopic amounts of water.

[Bored chemist]

... clouds left by planes ...

This is incorrect. Clouds are not created by jet fuel. Jet fuel vapor generates hydrocarbons and microscopic amounts of water.

Clearly wrong since they burn tons of fuel and produce tons of water. That's not microscopic.
The trials left behind planes are clouds.
You have not provided any evidence that they are anything other than water.

Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

The trials left behind planes are clouds.

Wrong. Not all planes emits aerosolized nanoparticles. If this would be the case, commercial planes would contribute in solar radiation management. The chemical clumping behavior is a proof that stratospheric aerosol injection uses engineered nanoparticles to create cloud condensation nucleis (CCNs). A more likely hypothesis is the use of coal fly ash particles to nucleate ice.

[Bored chemist]

"Not all planes emits aerosolized nanoparticles."
You have not provided any evidence that any plane does this.
"The chemical clumping behavior is a proof that stratospheric aerosol injection uses engineered nanoparticles to create cloud condensation nucleis (CCNs)."
You have provided no evidence that this clumping exists in the trail we see behind aircraft. Since you have not shown that it exists, it's not proof of anything.

"A more likely hypothesis is the use of coal fly ash particles to nucleate ice."

The most likely reason for fine fly ash in the air is that it's coming out of the chimneys of power plants.
How could they avoid it doing so?


Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

I have posted pictures of the chemical clumping behavior associated with stratospheric aerosol injection in other threads. You just keep lying and repeating your nonsense mantra to pretend evidences do not exists.

By the way, water emissions from "jet fuel" combustion cannot possibly clump together and persist in the atmosphere for several minutes: There's simply not enough water (30ppm) in jet fuel to become a source of persistent aerosol. http://www.liquisearch.com/jet_fuel/water_in_jet_fuel

And for the records jet fuel is not used for geoengineering purposes. It's a silly idea to compare apples with oranges.

The clumping behavior of "particles" is a proof of the existence of a aerial dispersion system
mounted on military airplanes. 

Anyways, the popularity of this thread and others indicates that chemtrails/geoengineering is a controversial issue, requiring intelligent comments over the pseudoscientific voodoo that you advocate.

[Bored chemist]

"By the way, water emissions from "jet fuel" combustion cannot possibly clump together and persist in the atmosphere for several minutes: There's simply not enough water (30ppm) in jet fuel to become a source of persistent aerosol."
Are you deliberately acting stupid, or is it not an act?
Burning hydrocarbons produces water (and CO2)

The water formed actually weighs more than the jet fuel.
For example, taking decane as a representative hydrocarbon
2C10H22 +31O2 → 22H2O + 20CO2

284 grams of decane produces 396 grams of water.

"And for the records jet fuel is not used for geoengineering purposes."
You have yet to show any evidence that anything is used for geoengineering (on anything but a tiny scale)

"Anyways, the popularity of this thread and others indicates that chemtrails/geoengineering is a controversial issue, requiring intelligent comments over the pseudoscientific voodoo that you advocate."
Well, you have a point.
The popularity of this thread is probably related to its importance.
You can I are the only people on Earth participating in it, and it has been dumped in the "ignore this bollocks" part of the forum.
Had you not noticed that?
Everyone else has given up on you.
I'm the only one bloodyminded enough to keep making the point that you can't answer.
Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

"By the way, water emissions from "jet fuel" combustion cannot possibly clump together and persist in the atmosphere for several minutes: There's simply not enough water (30ppm) in jet fuel to become a source of persistent aerosol."
Are you deliberately acting stupid, or is it not an act?
Burning hydrocarbons produces water (and CO2)

The water formed actually weighs more than the jet fuel.
For example, taking decane as a representative hydrocarbon
2C10H22 +31O2 → 22H2O + 20CO2

284 grams of decane produces 396 grams of water.

"And for the records jet fuel is not used for geoengineering purposes."
You have yet to show any evidence that anything is used for geoengineering (on anything but a tiny scale)

"Anyways, the popularity of this thread and others indicates that chemtrails/geoengineering is a controversial issue, requiring intelligent comments over the pseudoscientific voodoo that you advocate."
Well, you have a point.
The popularity of this thread is probably related to its importance.
You can I are the only people on Earth participating in it, and it has been dumped in the "ignore this bollocks" part of the forum.
Had you not noticed that?
Everyone else has given up on you.
I'm the only one bloodyminded enough to keep making the point that you can't answer.
Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

Why would I lie to you and others about the importance and reality of geoengineering? Your lies are the reasons people won't participate into this thread. It's pathetic how your attitude is preventing you to become more intelligent.... I won't shut up and resign to your ignorance about clandestine geoengineering activity. Your ignorance and stubborn attitude is evidence that the brainwashing is working well. Anyways, planes will never create clouds the way you describe it. It is a pure lie to advocate such nonsense. Please have at least the humility to recognize your illogical postulate if you happen to respect science.

[Bored chemist]

I don't think you are lying about it (I might be wrong, but if you are then you are a very determined troll).
I just think (based on some of the really stupid things you have said) that you are not bright enough to understand that you are wrong, and that you don't even realise that you don't understand what evidence is.
You have, for example, cited this thread as evidence that you are right. Well, look back through it and you will find that the only other significant contributions to the thread have agreed with me and pointed out that you are plainly wrong. If you look elsewhere on the site the same is true- nobody who agrees with you gets taken seriously.
That's very simple to explain- you are just laughably wrong.

Unless, and until you actually come up with evidence, is is you who is rejecting science.
You don't help yourself when you say dismally stupid things like "There's simply not enough water (30ppm) in jet fuel to become a source of persistent aerosol."

So, once again
Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

It's perfectly simple- if you don't want to be told to shut up, all you have to do is provide actual evidence.
I'm not asking for hogwash like you have provided before, and I wonder if you are bright enough to understand what evidence actually is.
For example, if we were discussing the presence of water on Mars and you said "There must be water there- because the Martians need water to drink, do you understand that isn't actually evidence of water on Mars?

[smart (OP)]

It's pathetic how your attitude is preventing you to become more intelligent...

Water Vapor
Chemtrails debunker claim that new jet plane produce more water vapor and this make them produce trails that persist more. But they also claim that most of the water vapor required for trails to build is already exist in the atmosphere.

The truth is water vapor / ice crystal already exist in large amount in the sky. The change of engine efficiency should only change the trails persistent by small percentage, not in seconds vs hours. The addition of small water vapor by the jet output will not suddenly make persistent trails. Aerosol, temperature and humidity also play part in the build up or persistent trails.

In the same manner, huge storage tank in the plane is not required to make chemtrails.

http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/2012/04/02/chemtrails-debunker-are-wrong/

You seem to forget in your utter arrogance that following chemtrails spraying, which almost occur on a daily basis in Quebec, this physicochemical process alter atmospheric composition and generates extreme weather conditions. Ordinary planes (not military) don't alter the weather. Therefore it is incredibly stupid to believe commercial planes generates cirrus "aviaticus" clouds. 

What is happening is stratospheric injection of aerosol to alter weather conditions, whether you like it or not.     

Thus, I think you're the one that should shut up or bring evidences that commercial planes are generating so-called  "cirrus aviaticus". Otherwise I think you simply underestimate reality in hope to convince yourself of your wishful thinking or delusions. In others words: your logic is flawed.

[Bored chemist]

It's pathetic how your attitude is preventing you to become more intelligent...

Water Vapor
Chemtrails debunker claim that new jet plane produce more water vapor and this make them produce trails that persist more. But they also claim that most of the water vapor required for trails to build is already exist in the atmosphere.

The truth is water vapor / ice crystal already exist in large amount in the sky. The change of engine efficiency should only change the trails persistent by small percentage, not in seconds vs hours. The addition of small water vapor by the jet output will not suddenly make persistent trails. Aerosol, temperature and humidity also play part in the build up or persistent trails.

In the same manner, huge storage tank in the plane is not required to make chemtrails.

http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/2012/04/02/chemtrails-debunker-are-wrong/

You seem to forget in your utter arrogance that following chemtrails spraying, which almost occur on a daily basis in Quebec, this physicochemical process alter atmospheric composition and generates extreme weather conditions. Ordinary planes (not military) don't alter the weather. Therefore it is incredibly stupid to believe commercial planes generates cirrus "aviaticus" clouds. 

What is happening is stratospheric injection of aerosol to alter weather conditions, whether you like it or not.     

Thus, I think you're the one that should shut up or bring evidences that commercial planes are generating so-called  "cirrus aviaticus". Otherwise I think you simply underestimate reality in hope to convince yourself of your wishful thinking or delusions. In others words: your logic is flawed.

Well, I'm already intelligent enough to know better than to cite a conspiracy nut website as evidence.


"Thus, I think you're the one that should shut up or bring evidences that commercial planes are generating so-called  "cirrus aviaticus". "
You need to improve your memory as well as your reasoning skills.
I already posted pictures.

I was on a commercial flight a few days ago. I saw the trails forming.

So, I have the evidence of my own eyes and yet you think that I should believe your rant about "Therefore it is incredibly stupid to believe commercial planes generates cirrus "aviaticus" clouds.  "

I saw them; they were generated by an ordinary passenger jet.
That's evidence. You, on the other hand, don't even seem to know what the word means.

My logic is not flawed- it's very simple
You have produced no evidence for your weird ideas.
That which is asserted without evidence can legitimately be dismissed in the same way.

Show us evidence that the clouds left by planes are not just water, or shut up.

[smart (OP)]

Clandestine geoengineering activity is evidence that the world is being ruled by a globalist organization dedicated in using psychochemical warfare for destroying life. It is not a conspiracy theory, but a well-known fact that geoengineering is illegal and potentially harmful to the environment and humans. We need to investigate what is the synthetic nature of the compounds used for altering the weather and stop pretending it is water vapor; a nonsense theory with no scientific value.

Bored chemist, I'm questioning your motivations for claiming that chemtrails do not exists. Is it because you fear the implications of clandestine geoengineering activity or lacking the capacity to identify the nature of an evidence? The Internet is evidence that chemtrails exists globally... It doesn't matter if the informations is from a so-called conspiracy website: Your own motivations for pretending that the "clouds left by planes are water vapor" is evidence of systemic disinformation.   

I think you either absolutely have no idea what you're talking about or your attitude is preventing you to reasonate intelligently. If you're feeling comfortable with your level of intelligence, I feel sorry for you that you're unable to progress further. Let's just hope the readers of this thread can decide for themselves if geoengineering is really destroying life.

[Bored chemist]

OK, It seems your big problem is that you don't know what evidence actually is.
Claiming there is geoengineering (which you have done) is not the same as providing evidence for it (which you have not done).


"Bored chemist, I'm questioning your motivations for claiming that chemtrails do not exists. Is it because you fear the implications of clandestine geoengineering activity or lacking the capacity to identify the nature of an evidence?"
No, it's neither.
You are the one who can't understand what evidence is.

OK lets us start at the beginning. Read through this and let me know where you stop agreeing with the facts.

1 Jet planes- commercial or otherwise- burn a lot of jet fuel. (It's of the order of 2 to 10 kg/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft#Example_Values  )
2 That jet fuel is essentially entirely made from hydrocarbons.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel )
3 Burning hydrocarbons produces more water (by weight) than the jet fuel you start with. (I explained this earlier in the thread)
4 The exhaust from the jet thus contains a lot of water vapour. ( Where else could it be)
5 The exhaust from a jet engine is hot. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_engine#Propelling_nozzle)
6 It is very cold (typically well below freezing) at the altitudes where aircraft fly. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapse_rate )
7 If you mix hot warm air with cold air the moisture condenses (you can see this when your breath "steams" on a cold day. (

)
8 the hot wet exhaust gas from the engines mixes with the cold air and the moisture condenses. (how could it not do?)
9 That condensation forms a long thin cloud of very small water droplets behind the plane. (Where else?)
10 You can see that cloud from the ground ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft#/media/File:Aircraft.in.cruise.arp.jpg )

11 this works without any magic nozzles, additives, nanoparticulate unicorns or any other mumbo jumbo.

(I'm ignoring the shock wave induced condensation for the minute- we can come back to that once you realise that a plane leaves a trail in very cold air- just like you do by breathing on a cold day)