[demografx]

Thanks Demografx, it would change my life so much for the better if the effects keep working, let's hope they do! Thanks for your support

You're more than welcome. It would change my life, too: I'm not wild about Levitra, hoping one day I won't need it!

[demografx]

Fantastic post Hurray. I hope the anti-POIS effect will be repeated for you.    I like your logical idea to find what is released during orgasm and try to supply it.
I saw that oxytocin deficiency can cause communication troubles. And a lot of us have communication troubles. Especially Day 1 for me.

Up : fenugreek seems not good for hypoglycemic symptoms :/

B_Jim, yes, communication problems have become more apparent to me since I have been paying more attention to my symptoms.

I just remembered a speech I gave years ago. The morning of the speech (Day 1), I was very jetlagged PLUS I had a NE the night before. WHAT A DISASTER THAT SPEECH WAS!!!!!

[imre1]

...Germany was the land for sexual research prior to the 1930's and...Hitler leveled it all to the ground.

Good thing it was leveled. If Hitler discovered POIS, he could've figured out a way to give it to the enemy []

I take it you don't like gays.

Well if you are wondering where your dopamine is at, maybe you should try to do somebody else.

WOW, IMRE1, FROM WHAT I WROTE, WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THAT I "...DON'T LIKE GAYS" ? THERE IS SOME SERIOUS MISCOMMUNICATION HERE. PLEASE CLARIFY. THANKS.

Sory, I was just trying to be funny. Very sorry you couldn't take it that way.

Anyway the idee expressed by this, i thought funny statement, may actually be the case.

That some cases of POIS like dopamine deficiency is actualy caused by suppressed homosexuality.

So sorry if you thought i attacked you personally. I will try to be more discrete next time. 

[imre1]

Hi everyone!

I had the idea that since oxytocin is heavily involved in the chemistry of orgasms, it might be worth trying to supply my body with the necessary ingredients to produce more oxytocin.

Synthetic oxytocin is difficult to obtain and administer, so I thought I'd give Fenugreek a try, which is praised for its oxytocin-like properties. You can buy it at most heath stores I believe.

I took some of it before and after 2 lots of orgasms, and well ...


Wow!


I had work the next day, which normally would be an excruciating trial socially. Not that day it wasn't. I happily chatted to the boss about some complex issues, and spent a lot of the day chatting and flirting with a couple of my female co-workers .... something that would have been impossible under normal POIS circumstances.
The brain fog had been greatly reduced, while the social anxiety component of POIS had been almost completely eliminated! The following day was more of the same.

I don't want to get too excited too soon, I know drugs and herbs can become less effective as they are used more frequently, and the positive effects might not last forever. Also, maybe I have just had two particularly good days, and it will be back to normal during my next potential POIS episode.

If anybody else is thinking of taking it, it sounds very safe - in fact it is an ingredient in certain foods. Only pregnant women should stay away from Fenugreek. I'll carry on posting here as I continue taking fenugreek, I hope I will continue to have good news!

Seems very plausible that this would work. I guess it more simulates an environment between two lovers that are realy into each other.

[demografx]

Sory, I was just trying to be funny. Very sorry you couldn't take it that way.

Anyway the idee expressed by this, i thought funny statement, may actually be the case.

That some cases of POIS like dopamine deficiency is actualy caused by suppressed homosexuality.

So sorry if you thought i attacked you personally. I will try to be more discrete next time. 

Thanks. I was also partially joking about Hitler's "leveling of sexuality research" , so I thought you may have taken offense. Glad we straightened it out.

Internet communication is not ideal for humor, I know, it's backfired on me before.

[hurray]

Thanks B_Jim, I am hoping very much indeed that fenugreek keeps working for me

Great summary of fenugreek's uses, I agree that the reported ability of oxytocin to influence social behaviour is incredible.

Oxytocin nasal sprays are being used by mothers of autistic children to help them socialise more normally, apparently they are very effective!

It makes me wonder if POIS actually makes our brains somewhat autistic temporarily, I have heard that autism is a sliding scale, it can be measured from normal to shy to Aspergers syndrome, and eventually to full-blown autism.

Seems very plausible that this would work. I guess it more simulates an environment between two lovers that are realy into each other.

Good point Imre1 - you could well be right, earlier in the thread I seem to remember people discussing that the quality of the orgasm had a direct effect on how much they were subsequently affected by POIS.

[Chewbacca]

Guys!!!!!I just read a very interesting article. It's about how drugs like Levitra, Cialis, and Viagra increase the levels of oxytocin in the brain during genital stimulation. What does this mean? Well....if Hurry is trying a supplement that increases the level of oxytocin and it is working for him that would suggest oxytocin imbalance as a possible cause for POIS. If levitra causes an increase of oxytocin during sexual stimulation that also points to oxytocin imbalance as a possible cause for POIS. I'm curious and hopeful to see how things pan out for Hurry. But I think the oxytocin hypothesis is worth investigating in detail since levitra seems to alleviate some symptoms of POIS and apparently so does fenugreek....both of which effect levels of oxytocin!!!! The only question is why does levitra work and not cialis? Could be individaul biochemical differences. Could also be differences in the drugs themselves. However, this all seems very promissing. Nice job Hurry! below is where i found the article. -chewbacca

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:bAmX5M5eZ0wJ:www.news.wisc.edu/14034+does+levitra+increase+levels+of+oxytocin%3F&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us [nofollow]

[Counterpoints]

B_Jim: What is an IG diet?

[Whoa]

I've definitely had this for a few years. I'm 30 now, and started masturbating up to 7 times a day (and no less than 2 times a day) beginning at age 14. Back then, I didn't have any symptoms of POIS except when I hit upwards of 7 orgasms in one day. I just figured that was what happened when you overdid it.

Fast forward to my mid-20's. After ejaculating I increasingly felt very weak, tired, dehydrated, my testicles felt sore and empty, and my voice cracked and became higher pitched than normal - like an old man's voice - this lasted for a couple days usually. It seemed like, the more and more my balls "filled back up", the symptoms disappeared - I felt more mental clarity, physical strength, energy, happiness, and confidence.

I should also point out: It seems like the more awesome the splash, the worse the sickness. So when I blast a load six to twelve feet I might as well call in sick for work. If it's a weak one, then I'm probably going to be fine within an hour or two. If it were a weak one, but I rub another one out within a short period of time, again it's guaranteed sickness.

While I've never had trouble getting it up, I've always had issues climaxing during intercourse - this was probably due to anxiety, said my doctor, and she prescribed me Levitra - which is why I felt obliged to register and post here today. On Levitra, I can confirm that the POIS symptoms were lessened dramatically post-orgasm. Even after an awesome load, I can still get up and do things. I don't feel paralyzed. However, I've never masturbated with Levitra and only used it for a short while until I was comfortable with my girlfriend - So my testing was limited.

One other thing I've noticed is that I will work out really heavy one day (at the gym and not my on penis). The next day I will indulge on my libido and ejaculate after perhaps 2-3 minutes of masturbation or 15 minutes of sex. Immediately after ejaculating I get a feeling of strong relaxation and relief, then about 5-10 minutes later the muscles I worked out at the gym the day before become extremely sore. Maybe they were even a little sore before ejaculating; however, they are extremely sore afterward. By not having an orgasm, I can literally prevent my muscles from getting very sore if at all.

[demografx]

WHOA! Clever name! And WELCOME to The POIS Forum! Sit back, grab some popcorn and watch our Forum-member girlwind's video.

And many thanks for posting. We look forward to your contributions as we search for a cure for this messy malady!

[demografx]

...she prescribed me Levitra - which is why I felt obliged to register and post here today. On Levitra, I can confirm that the POIS symptoms were lessened dramatically post-orgasm. Even after an awesome load, I can still get up and do things. I don't feel paralyzed. However, I've never masturbated with Levitra and only used it for a short while until I was comfortable with my girlfriend - So my testing was limited.

This is a terrific confirmation to have a 2nd POIS sufferer reporting Levitra! Levitra has been my personal cure (50% to 75% alleviation of POIS symptoms) for about a year now. Glad to see that it can work safely for someone younger and not necessarily prescribed for ED!

Whoa, we're also exploring nitric oxide, which is an important component of the Levitra story. Related to that, Forum-member hurray has had success so far with an oxytocin-like substance. Oxytocin is manufactured at orgasm.

[demografx]

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL: Please see a physician if you wish to investigate Levitra, to see if it is right for you.

[acronym]

Fantastic post hurray on oxytocin and fenugreek. It was something I always wondered about from both a POIS and CFS aspect. There is a well known doctor who has success with some of his patients by giving them oxytocin, but it didnt seem that it worked for all his patients. When I enquired about it with my CFS doc he didnt seem to see the connection in regards to immunity + it was a hormone that had a clrear role for women but not really for men. I didn't push on it as it required regular (I think daily) IV injections. Something like oxcytocin would explain the differences in pois between the sexes. Also its role in social anxiety and appetite helps to support it case, and Chewbacca's post linking it to ED meds was great in helping to make the connection to Levitra.
I've read a couple of articles on it and I get conflicting info on fenugreek. Some say it mimics oxytocin and others say its synergestic and others say it stimulates the pituitary to produce more. Depending on how it works we could get variable results. I've started to trial it.

I've been thinking more on nitric oxide and I'm not so sure now. When I was younger I could hang a wet towel off my boner, and if I had an orgasm, the refactory period was under an hour and I was good to go again. To me this indicates a very healthy level of NO. If we were wiping out our NO levels then it would make sense that POIS would get worse as we get older and that does not seem to be the case.

Its annoying how many symptoms and circumstances are not quite the same for everyone. Some people get fever like effect, some people get diarrhea, neither of which I get. Then some people say ejeculation is a big deal and other say not (for me its not) and then some say an all out orgasm is worse and others say its better (I'm the latter).

[demografx]

Thanks, acronym. You have some interesting thoughts on Fenugreek and nitric oxide.

The connection between refractory period and NO?

I think we need more research and safely conducted trials.

Symptoms and circumstances are different, but I think the theme of 1) DAYS of postorgasmic symptoms, 2)fatigue and 3) mental fog is fairly consistent. I agree though, it would be nice if there weren't many variations.

[Finally]

Whoa, I have noticed that anything that makes you sore has a recovery  period.  If I have an orgasm before the pain goes away that lengthens the time it to heal.  Perhaps the POIS recovery drains something necessary for healing.   
It seems exercising the day or even hours after may help the POIS effects process along, although no one seems to have the  desire to do much at all.  I wonder if anyone has noticed anything similar?   

[Counterpoints]

Here is a compilation I made.   I also have relevant questionnaire responses compiled, but to see these, you must fill out the questionnaire yourself.

Symptoms vary between sufferers, but there are many most of us have in common. 

Group 1 (Most Common Symptoms)
- brain fog
- intense withdrawal
- intense cravings
- difficulty communicating
- difficulty comprehending
- difficulty focusing
- thick-headed
- slow to respond
- absent mindedness
- short attention span (cannot concentrate for more than 2-3 minutes)
- anxiety
- poor short term memory
- lexical recall affected
- restless/agitated
- lack of creativity
- social phobia
- lack of confidence
- embarrassment
- mental exhaustion
Important notes: *  Symptoms generally last 6 to 70 hours.  Some do not recover as quickly during sleep as when they are awake. After 1-3 days of no orgasm, intense cravings for orgasm can re-appear, but the other symptoms do not re-surface unless stimulated by orgasm.  In a given month, people in this group are afflicted by symptoms between 10% and 90% of the time -- depending on the person, and frequency of orgasm.  Note: no loss of motor control apparent amongst most sufferers.  This is perhaps counter to the dopamine depletion theory.  Levitra has helped two sufferers with symptoms.  Oxytocin appears to be helping some people, and apparently Levitra has been linked with Oxytocin production.  Symptoms have sometimes immediately been alleviated by a subsequent orgasm.


Group 2 (Less common)
- derealisation
- lethargy (physical fatigue)
- cold (day 1), sweats/heat (day 2)
- dizziness
- paleness
- shame
- skin conditions following orgasm. (e.g. dry skin).
- visual disturbances
- lack of spontaneity
- diarrhea (helped by low IG diet)
- hypoglycemia (helpd by low IG diet)
- muscle tremors and spasms.
- depression
- headache
- skin conditions
- insomnia
- hunger and thirst affected

Group 3 (Even less common)
- dark circles beneath eyes
- curvature of spine
- joint pain
- dull pain in scalp
- elevated blood pressure  *(noticed by some members of groups 1 and 2)
- swollen neck glands
- double vision
- aphthous ulcers
- allergies
- mild fear of light
- swollen eyelids, runny nose, flu like symptoms
- dilated pupils
- burning fingertips

Also, very important compiled information:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg95285#msg95285
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

[Counterpoints]

Note: I am currently very busy, and will only be available to post approximately once a week, for the next month.

[Whoa]

Thanks for the greeting demografx. It is good to see an active thread on this topic.

To follow up my earlier post, my Rx for Levitra was 10mg. I had some left over, and tested one out today post-orgasm.

Basically, I woke up earlier than my girlfriend this morning and blasted one off. It was a bad idea(I get POIS symptoms worse if I don't go to sleep immediately after orgasm) and I've had horrible POIS symptoms all day. I just wanted to lay down by myself and read or nap, but I couldn't because there was too much to do, and my girlfriend suggested that later in the evening we'd have sexual intercourse.

So I decided to try taking a Levitra midday to see if it would take away the symptoms. It did not. Perhaps because it is now slightly expired, or because it should be taken before ejaculating. I'll try the latter before my next explosive solo session and see what happens.

[hurray]

Thanks for all the great posts!

I only have a couple of minutes before I go away for a few days, just wanted to say that I have been taking 3 capsules 3 times a day,I am taking Solgar Fenugreek containing 370mg raw fenugreek seed powder and 150mg Fenugreek seed powdered extract.

Thanks again for the support!

[demografx]

Here is a compilation I made...

COUNTERPOINTS:

BRILLIANT!

THANK YOU!