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[POIS'] existence causes fear, anticipatory fear. [Emphasis by Demo]
Spent 2 hours this morning in meditation. Revised percentages slightly. Total % loss1) openness to dating 2% loss2) dating 5% loss3) arousal behavior 10% loss4) genital contact 20%loss5) orgasmic sexuality 95% loss
Hey again guys,I just wanted to share my experience in overcoming POIS, as i thought it might be helpful for people. It all comes down to the adrenals!!!! Trust me on this. And the adrenals are VERY overlooked by Western medicine. Your endocrinologist will tell you that they are fine, as mine did. Thats because they dont recognize them as being a problem at all, until they are completely failing. Western medicine actually provides a lot of disservice in that regard, and they dont get to the bottom of problems, they just pile pills on top which often just makes it worse. They overlook very key organs such as adrenals and liver.
Demo-----OUT of the BOX RAMBLINGSIn previous posts I believe you've discussed your fingers. For years I've been thinking about symptoms that just don't make any sense. Since the early 90's, I get back pain and groin burning. It's part of my POIS, but it is so illogical since it seems that it should derive from long distance running and basketball. So I believe it comes from both. About you finger sensations. Are they not pre-POIS as well as POIS? If so, might this discomfort arise from two conditions? Might orgasm with its (probable) hormones and neurotransmitters trigger such a tsunami of nervous system chaos that it joins up with a lot more than we think e.g. other predispositions, latent conditions, injuries , psychological reactions etc? POIS may join with other "weaknesses" (for lack of a better term) to appear quite varied, thus a great range of symptoms in different people. I recall that in years past, if my back was unusually relaxed, my POIS symptoms would be diminished. [The opposite is brutally true.] Thus, as I discussed about a month ago in one of my earlier posts, there may be neuromuscular weak points in some of us (as well as other vulnerable points in our body,mind) that are exploited by POIS and make "it" worse than it should be. Perhaps we should be looking at more than just orgasm, albeit orgasm the apparent precipitating act. This is why I think for some people POIS seems like a near permanent condition rather than a strict post orgasm issue. There may be POIS LIKE conditions already.Thus for me, when my GAD is gone (75% of my adult life), POIS is quite uncomfortable but tolerable: The other "weaknesses" don't pile on. But when GAD is present, POIS is just awful. Theoretically, if you could rid yourself of finger problems, do you think your POIS would be diminished. Could you isolate causes of your finger "weaknesses"?. For me, I've spent $5,000 last 6 months working on my back. But since my GAD has remained, I can't tell if it is worth it. I hope to know soon.
Possible POIS source?List of symptoms of Pheochromocytoma:
Quote from: Counterpoints on 16/01/2009 21:37:09Possible POIS source?List of symptoms of Pheochromocytoma:CP, I'm missing something basic: why are you asking us to look at Pheochromocytoma and it's huge, all-encompasssing symptom list? You mention "Possible POIS source" - but I still don't understand what you have in mind. Probably my poor post-POIS adaptability 
Pheochromocytomas are catecholamine producing tumors of chromaffin cells, that can occur sporadically or as part of a familial syndrome. Although the majority are found in the adrenal glands, pheochromocytoma can basically be found wherever chromaffin tissue can be found. Ninety-seven percent have been found in the abdomen, 2% in the thorax and 1% in other regions.The tumor is named for its colorful reaction in fixatives containing chromic acid salts. In modern day language, these tumors are often referred to as "pheos". Most pheos secrete a number of hormones, including norepinephrine, epinephrine, dopamine, vanylmandelic acid, and metanephrines. Pheochromocytomas are usually benign (non-cancerous), but can cause dangerously high blood pressure and other symptoms, including pounding headaches, heart palpitations, flushing of the face, nausea, and vomiting. Pheochromocytoma symptoms usually include paroxysms of extreme hypertension, accompanied by sweating, headache, and other autonomic disturbances, probably resulting from physical compression and/or ischemia of the "pheo". Doctors and patients often refer to these bouts as "episodes".Pheochromocytomas can be found anywhere in the body, though most occur in the adrenal medulla. Even a tiny benign pheochromocytoma can make a person very sick. Regardless of location and appearance, the patients will usually report anxiety, headache, palpitations, panic attacks, sweating, and dizziness as some of the main symptoms. Extra-adrenal paragangliomas (often called extra-adrenal pheochromocytomas) are closely related and less common tumors. These tumors originate in the ganglia of the sympathetic nervous system and are named based upon the primary anatomical site of origin.
You should check out what she and her partner have written about this. http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]It might be very enlightening for you.
But since my GAD has remained,
Perhaps we should be looking at more than just orgasm, albeit orgasm the apparent precipitating act. This is why I think for some people POIS seems like a near permanent condition rather than a strict post orgasm issue.
Don't panic !
forgive my ignorance , but what is GAD?
QuoteDo you think that fatigue/exhaustion are major symptoms of POIS?I think of course fatigue and exhaustion are major symptoms. There are few cases of Pois without any fatigue. But fatigue is a so inaccurate symptom. Some cases have general fatigue (lack of energy), mental fatigue (can't focus), muscular fatigue... Yes, fatigue can be consiered as the chief symptom. At this moment, my idea is we can make 2 groups : cases with and without flulike symptoms.
Do you think that fatigue/exhaustion are major symptoms of POIS?
hello everyone, I am new to this forum and hope someone can help. For the past several years my sexual relations have been severely hindered by a sudden onset of severe nausea, weakness, and hot flushing feeling immediately after ejaculation. It has not been a severe as the cases (duration wise) as I have seen in these post, but has basically forced me to avoid sexual activity. I also a major increase in heartrate. I have a full physical exam and even wore a halter monitor to rule out arrhythmias. The only time I have these feeling is with ejaculation. I currently do not take any medications, but have been treated for depression in the past and do not feel like I am depressed now. I allergic to buspar so that would not help. Does anyone know what this could be and if any treatment is available? I am in NC and none of the doctors I have seen to know or are willing to answer anything about it.
Perhaps as we come up with specific remedies that begin to make inroads into POIS, we will see a pattern emerge. But classification is very important, as it may point the direction to additional, broader descriptors to POIS or perhaps even a different term that is "POIS LIKE."
Steve-- My nervous system is integrated, real integrated. For me, it seems like my brain is connected to my pelvic area. It's weird. I have no idea if it would help you
Hello-I am new here. This is utterly amazing how I found this (searching google to see wtf is up). For a long time (after masturbating for 20 years) I have been living in an "unawakened" state. My theory is that some people are more susceptible to having this disabling illness just as some people are more susceptible to alcoholism. This is huge... but WHY is this here? WHY has it destroyed my life- or has it?
Hello-I am new here. This is utterly amazing how I found this (searching google to see wtf is up). For a long time (after masturbating for 20 years) I have been living in an "unawakened" state. The effects are not at all unlike those I have read here (I am glad I'm not alone in this)- let me tell you my side effects : Failure, Brain fog, anger, irritability, confusion, back pain, tiredness, loss of self-confidence, disassociation, anxiety, depression, guilt AND the urge to repeat the process...I could go on but these effects are enough to completely alter (or destroy) one's life. The peculiar thing is that despite the observation that I thought it MIGHT be causing these things, I continued (and maybe continue?) to do it. I have been taking antidepressants for a few years... My theory is that some people are more susceptible to having this disabling illness just as some people are more susceptible to having depression or alcoholism. Of course, guilt is one of the symptoms of depression. I am non-religious. But this illness may be the source of some religions teachings for abstinence etc. This is huge... but WHY is this here? WHY has it destroyed my life- or has it?
Welcome Pro and SickLifeSaver ! Maybe can you give more details (number of days, flulike symptoms or not, tips helping you ... ) Pro, i really love your description of "unawakened" state, dissociation. I feel the same thing. You find the good expression. It's the more difficult symptom to explain to my doc.I used the words : - mental confusion- stupor- derealisation- "i feel like sleeping" / dreamlike state- loss of vigilance and loss of consciousness At the moment, my best theory to try to explain this is the unbalanced ratio DHEA/cortisol. Saving cortisol release might be a key factor (avoiding all physical , psychological stressors as diet or light) and for flulike cases at least , inflammation.
WHY is this here? WHY has it destroyed my life- or has it?
None of the physicians I have approached are able to diagnose the problem....You all seem to be very helpful for this mysterious complex plague!